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Bob - The Beagle Master
09-24-2009, 03:04
America armed, but guns not necessarily loaded
By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer Mary Foster, Associated Press Writer
Wed Sep 23, 2:51 pm ET

NEW ORLEANS Bullet-makers are working around the clock, seven days a week, and still can't keep up with the nation's demand for ammunition.

Shooting ranges, gun dealers and bullet manufacturers say they have never seen such shortages. Bullets, especially for handguns, have been scarce for months because gun enthusiasts are stocking up on ammo, in part because they fear President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress will pass antigun legislation even though nothing specific has been proposed and the president last month signed a law allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks.

Gun sales spiked when it became clear Obama would be elected a year ago and purchases continued to rise in his first few months of office. The FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System reported that 6.1 million background checks for gun sales were issued from January to May, an increase of 25.6 percent from the same period the year before.

"That is going to cause an upswing in ammunition sales," said Larry Keane, senior vice president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association representing about 5,000 members. "Without bullets a gun is just a paper weight."

The shortage for sportsmen is different than the scarcity of ammo for some police forces earlier this year, a dearth fueled by an increase in ammo use by the military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"We are working overtime and still can't keep up with the demand," said Al Russo, spokesman for North Carolina-based Remington Arms Company, which makes bullets for rifles, handguns and shotguns. "We've had to add a fourth shift and go 24-7. It's a phenomenon that I have not seen before in my 30 years in the business."

Americans usually buy about 7 billion rounds of ammunition a year, according to the National Rifle Association. In the past year, that figure has jumped to about 9 billion rounds, said NRA spokeswoman Vickie Cieplak.

Jason Gregory, who manages Gretna Gun Works just outside of New Orleans, has been building his personal supply of ammunition for months. His goal is to have at least 1,000 rounds for each of his 25 weapons.

"I call it the Obama effect," said Gregory, 37, of Terrytown, La. "It always happens when the Democrats get in office. It happened with Clinton and Obama is even stronger for gun control. Ammunition will be the first step, so I'm stocking up while I can."

So far, the new administration nor Congress has not been markedly antigun. Obama has said he respects Second Amendment rights, but favors "common sense" on gun laws. Still, worries about what could happen persist.

Demand has been so heavy at some Walmarts, a limit was imposed on the amount of ammo customers can buy. The cutoff varies according to caliber and store location, but sometimes as little as one box or 50 bullets is allowed.

At Barnwood Arms in Ripon, Calif., sales manager Dallas Jett said some of the shortages have leveled off, but 45-caliber rounds are still hard to find.

"We've been in business for 32 years and I've been here for 10 and we've never seen anything like it," Jett said. "Coming out of Christmas everything started to dry up and it was that way all through the spring and summer.

Nationwide, distributors are scrambling to fill orders from retailers.

"We used to be able to order 50 or 60 cases and get them in three or four days easy, it was never an issue," said Vic Grechniw of Florida Ammo Traders, a distributor in Tampa, Fla. "Now you are really lucky if you can get one case a month. It just isn't there because the demand is way up."

A case contains 500 or 1,000 bullets.

At Jefferson Gun Outlet and Range in Metairie just west of New Orleans, owner Mike Mayer is worried individuals are going to start buying by the case.

"If someone wants to shoot on the weekend you have to worry about having the ammunition for them. And I know some people aren't buying to use it at the range, they're taking it home and hoarding it."

With demand, prices have also risen.

"Used to be gold, but now lead is the most expensive metal," said Donald Richards, 37, who was stocking up at the Jefferson store. "And worth every penny."

dogtag
09-24-2009, 03:18
The Johnny-come-latelys who turn up at my club have vanished, but
all the old geezers like me are still banging away.
We load our own. My only problem although not severe, is small pistol primers.
Lead I dig out of the berm, and powder seems to be available.

RED
09-24-2009, 03:29
"Jason Gregory, who manages Gretna Gun Works just outside of New Orleans, has been building his personal supply of ammunition for months. His goal is to have over a 1,000 rounds for each of his 25 weapons."

I don't know Mr. Gregory but there is your problem in a nutshell. I actually have 1,000 rounds for my M1A which is my disaster gun. I have 300 rds for my 1911, a few boxes of various sizes 12 gauge, and 5-600 rds. of .22 I have kept those numbers about the same now for over 13 years. I figure that would be plenty for the next 13 years even if the stuff really hits the propeller. I have fired my 30-06 bolt action rifle less than 20 times in the past 5 years and that put 12 whitetails in the freezer. Why in the world would I need a 1,000 rounds for the rifle??

Mr. Gregory probably figures if the U.S. really goes into the toilet he will continue to live his life just like he did in 1990. Others have been watching Rambo far too much and they believe they will be in continuous fire fights expending hundreds of rounds. Reality escapes these guys and they blame Obamama who hasn't done a single thing to decrease the ammo availability. :eusa_wall::eusa_wall::eusa_wall::eusa_wall:

UUURah
09-24-2009, 03:54
I actually have 1,000 rounds for my M1A which is my disaster gun. I have 300 rds for my 1911, a few boxes of various sizes 12 gauge, and 5-600 rds. of .22

Man, you are a HOARDER!!!!


I have fired my 30-06 bolt action rifle less than 20 times in the past 5 years and that put 12 whitetails in the freezer.

You are gonna just have to become a better shot so you don't waste so much ammo.


Back to the topic of the thread-----

Right now I am perplexed that some gun control hasn't started down the pike. You would think that they would have done more, perhaps that Parks Carry bill scared them off. I am sure that once they finish shoving Obamma Care up our butts that they will move on to some important stuff.

Me, I'm reloading as fast as I can. But I ain't shooting.

joem
09-24-2009, 04:53
A guy might want to trade ammo for some other commodity. Always a possibility.:icon_salut:

RED
09-24-2009, 05:17
A guy might want to trade ammo for some other commodity. Always a possibility.:icon_salut:


I am sitting here in my secure home with food, water and everything I need for several months, why would I trade for ammo? If you are starving and have ammo to trade, with all due respect, you made a basic mistake in your preparations. You can't eat .380 ammo, you can't drink, it and if everybody is starving, you can only use it to rob and kill for the basic necessities.

If you are down to that level, you have already lost.

My advice is to reconsider what you would do if society really breaks down. If you live in a city and plan to "bug out" to the hills, it won't work. Those hills are already inhabited by guys like me that planned ahead. If you think 25,000 rounds of ammo will insure your survival. you are wrong. Those funds would be far better used to truly prepare for the chaos that I now believe is coming our way. It took me over 10 years to get my plan in place. If you haven't started by now, you really need to hurry. I don't think there is another 10 years to prepare. :icon_e_sad:

Bob - The Beagle Master
09-24-2009, 05:49
They were in an old building at Camp Perry and they had a shipping dock piled high with cases of ammo. I bought a case each of .30M2, .30 Carbine, .45 (that was National Match) and 9mm and all of them were way cheap. I think that Dick made them aware of that because the next year the prices were raised somewhat. The second year I got another case of the .30M2 and a case of the .30 Carbine. I'm a sucker for a deal!

I also bought 10 of the 5000 round cases of .22LR from CMP over a period of time for about $70 a case delivered. I've also bought case lots of .308 and .223 when I've found super deals. I haven't bought anything since the prices started going up but if I were to find a super deal tomorrow I'd buy it. To me it isn't hoarding, it's just taking advantage of good deals because I shoot a lot of ammo and it's expensive even in normal times unless you find deals.

I got .223 in 300 round battle packs at $34 per pack about 3 years ago by agreeing to take a full casse of 9 of them. Tell me that there is one guy on here who wouldn't be happy to give me my money back today!

RED
09-24-2009, 07:48
... 50,000 rounds of .22lr? Lets see, if you shoot 135 rounds a day, every day it would take a year to shoot it. On the other hand if you shoot 250 rounds a week" 13,000 rounds per year that is a 4 year supply. If you shoot 1 box (50 rounds) per week, every week, it would take 1,000 weeks to get rid of 50,000 rounds or nearly 20 years!

Meantime there is some 16 year old youth out there that can't shoot his .22 either because the ammo is too pricey or he can't find it because some old fart (that will never shoot the ammo) has it locked away in his basement.

But your wife may well profit from your stores when you reach the great shooting range in the sky. Somehow I fail to see the wisdom in this. Maybe that is because shooting and collecting guns is a hobby with me instead of a profit center. JMHO and $.02:icon_scratch:

Dan In Indiana
09-25-2009, 03:25
Guess I'll have to stop at Shorty's [once Bob gives me the directions] for a tenderloin on my way down to my yearly deer hunting session, and pick up a few rounds so I can spread the "wealth" of ammo around to all those poor 16 year olds down in the economically depressed areas of south eastern Indiana.

OFC

kragnut
09-25-2009, 05:15
I went through a move about a year and a half ago to a new house just a few miles away. I had to move about 8 cans of ammo, consisting mostly of .30 M2, and my own 30/40 and 45-70 reloads (for which I've amassed a good brass collection over the years) with me, and 1000 rds of 12 ga #7-1/2 shot, and that was a chore by itself. I can't imagine what you'd do with 25,000 rounds. I wasnt predicting armageddon, I just stocked up on Lake City and HXP ammo when it was cheap a couple of years ago for the same reason the other poster did.....good deal comes along and you have to snap it up. Back in the 1990s, I thought $0.32 a shot was cheap out of my garand....I couldnt pass up $0.27 a shot not even 2 years ago! I shoot a lot of trap and 5 stand, so I'll go through 150-200 shotgun shells in one range trip. I still have most of the .30 M2, though that will go down again after December when hunting season is over and I wont be POing my neighbors by blasting away. I dont shoot much anymore, maybe 40-50 rounds per range visit, and I concentrate on practical marksmanship. I don't use sandbags or a bench except to get on the paper. I always have a couple of .22 LR bricks in the safe at any given time, wish I'd really stocked up on that 2 years ago!

Bob - The Beagle Master
09-25-2009, 05:44
About once a month my son, son in law and 3 grandsons go to the range. Those 3 little boys will shoot over 200 rounds each in 2 hours. Recompute your figures RED. Can't help it that you don't shoot, but we do. If I just take the two big boys with me and go to the outdoor range they will each shoot over 100 rounds of .223 and .30M2. I shoot once a week by myself and usually shoot 100 rounds of .22s and maybe another 100 of .30 carbine or .308.

You ought to try target shooting as a hobby RED. It's a lot of fun, expensive at times, but fun. (It's one of the main reasons for having guns!) :1948:

BudT
09-25-2009, 06:04
They were in an old building at Camp Perry and they had a shipping dock piled high with cases of ammo. I bought a case each of .30M2, .30 Carbine, .45 (that was National Match) and 9mm and all of them were way cheap. I think that Dick made them aware of that because the next year the prices were raised somewhat. The second year I got another case of the .30M2 and a case of the .30 Carbine. I'm a sucker for a deal!

I also bought 10 of the 5000 round cases of .22LR from CMP over a period of time for about $70 a case delivered. I've also bought case lots of .308 and .223 when I've found super deals. I haven't bought anything since the prices started going up but if I were to find a super deal tomorrow I'd buy it. To me it isn't hoarding, it's just taking advantage of good deals because I shoot a lot of ammo and it's expensive even in normal times unless you find deals.

I got .223 in 300 round battle packs at $34 per pack about 3 years ago by agreeing to take a full casse of 9 of them. Tell me that there is one guy on here who wouldn't be happy to give me my money back today!

Bob & others,

You keep right on buying what you dam well please and don't worry about the tired old BS that others are saying. All they are doing is the same thing the Demokrat libs do......you don't need that. They are trying their best to "FORCE and impose" their morals (or lack their of) on others and tell you what you can or can not do and have, ya hear that a lot right now huh.....health care? cars? guns? ammo? yep we know what's best for you. You must be a racist because you disagree with? you fill in the blanks. You terrible hoarder you LOL

I was at the local gunstore yesterday and looked at a Weatherby .257 Mag. I don't need it...but I want it...and if I buy it I must be a hoarder cause I already have one rifle......I think I'm gonna be a hoarder and buy it today, just so Red cant buy it LOL:evil6: What we horders should do is band together and organize. Real American hoarders of America "The ones that keep American business working" stand tall and be proud because your keeping American "WORKING" and the other freeloaders......well they do what the do best "WHINE". Now get out there and look for the deals and buy, buy buy.

Regards

BudT
:1948::banana100::headbang:

Rick
09-25-2009, 08:06
Really couldn't hoard it's just not generally available and when I do find it I won't pay the inflated prices. I have enough to get by and share a box with a friends if they are absolutely without.

Just a little fearful of having a large amounts of ammunition. Wouldn't you want to have an underground storage somewhere away from your living quarters?

I was a Navy firefighter so have great respect for all things flammable and that could be potentially dangerous.

Fred
09-25-2009, 08:25
Years ago, 8mm Mauser was selling for around 7 cents a round. They were selling it by the case and I bought it by the case. Now, I can't afford to buy it for what it's selling for. That's OK though, I've got several cases. I didn't push the other guy out of line to do it either. I bought it when it was available. If I hadn't bought it then, somebody else simply would've. If somebody else didn't buy it then, they didn't want to. If they want to now, they'll have to pay what it takes to get it, the going rate. Do I need several cases? No. Do I want several cases? Yea. It's my business what I do legaly with my money. If somebody wants to trade me something that they have for the extra ammo that I've got, then that's allways good. If they don't, then they don't want my ammo and I'll just hang onto it. Buy it cheap and stack it deep. If anyone has a problem with not being able to buy any for what it used to cost, they really should've been on the ball and gotten it sooner. The End

Bob - The Beagle Master
09-25-2009, 08:41
Buy it cheap and stack it deep! That's just what I did and now we can go shoot when we want to!