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Received this Model 65-H&R Reising from a friend of mine. It is in great shape no pitting or rust on the metal. Not sure if it has been reparked or not, suspect it has .... The is a U.S.M.C. stamped on the left of the receiver across from the ejection port. That probably is not legit. Were any marked after being procurred by the military (as the Winchester 52D's were)? Were the stocks on these an oil finish or varnished? Will shoot it on Monday....standard or high velocity ammo?
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Nice rifle!!
My 65 is not marked USMC, is green parkerized and has an oil finished stock, no where near as nice as the rifle you just picked up.
My rifle shoots 40gr standard velocity ammo very well, yours should too. The model 165 you turned me on to likes cheap Walmart ammo, go figure.
The H&R 65 were not marked USMC or US Property. There has been couple seen with the USMC hand stamped on them. The green parkerize is probaly orginal. As I have it the green finish is really not a parkerize but something close to it.
Your 8xxx serial number could almost be sure to be a Military rifle. As there is no records known for the Military rifles. The lower the swerial number the better the chance it is Military.
The stocks were of a oil finish. You have a very nice sample rifle there.
Nice rifle!!
My 65 is not marked USMC, is green parkerized and has an oil finished stock, no where near as nice as the rifle you just picked up.
My rifle shoots 40gr standard velocity ammo very well, yours should too. The model 165 you turned me on to likes cheap Walmart ammo, go figure.
I doubt the U.S.M.C. is the real deal. It may be like the 52D's and has had that put on in a Armory. Or it may have been someone that wanted to "enhance" the value of the rifle.
I will take it to the range in the morning an 40 grainer in standard velocity will be in the ammo bag.
This rifle was a gift from a friend. Don't know how I got so lucky, but I am very glad he is my friend. Glad you are happy with the 165.
AJ
The H&R 65 were not marked USMC or US Property. There has been couple seen with the USMC hand stamped on them. The green parkerize is probaly orginal. As I have it the green finish is really not a parkerize but something close to it.
Your 8xxx serial number could almost be sure to be a Military rifle. As there is no records known for the Military rifles. The lower the swerial number the better the chance it is Military.
The stocks were of a oil finish. You have a very nice sample rifle there.
I am not sure if the marking is the real deal or if this rifle has not been reparked. There is parkerizing in the recesses of the USMC stamp.
Where did the serial numbers start on the 65's? With the number 1 or greater?
Thanks for the kind words about the rifle.
Lancebear
08-01-2010, 08:15
Hey USMC69,
Very fine lookin' rifle. And a gift, nice friend. The Springfield, Stevens, Winchester, and Remington gallery .22 practice rifles were designed to shoot standard velocity .22 cartridges with lead bullits. I guess that applies to your rifle. I have a Springfield M2. First time I took it to the range I used an assortment of standard lead bullit cartridges and got good results. Next trip I bought a couple boxes of Wolf Match ammo at the range. Big difference. Shot a few dime sized groups at twenty five yards. Bought a brick of SK Rifle Match ammo since, from E. Arthur Brown Co. in Minnesota for sixty bucks or so. Worth the price. Both brands are made by Lapua in Germany. I don't remember if your rifle came with a sling, but if it didn't, get an M 1907 pattern sling and learn how to sling up for offhand shootin'. Once you learn how to use it, you will be amazed how accurate you and your new rifle can be.
Good shootin',
Lancebear
I am not sure if the marking is the real deal or if this rifle has not been reparked. There is parkerizing in the recesses of the USMC stamp.
Where did the serial numbers start on the 65's? With the number 1 or greater?
Thanks for the kind words about the rifle.
If there is parkerize finish inside the USMC stamp then it would have been re-parkeriized. As none came from the H&R plant marked USMC. As to the starting number on the serial number I don't think there is any records of that. Some of the experts say that any serial number less than 17,000 could be a Military rifle. I guess lower the serial number the better it is. I would have no serious problem listing your 8xxx rifle as Military. I had a higher number than yours in my Military display and replaced it with a 19xx rifle. This 19xx rifle is kinda special as serial number is the same as the year I got married.
H&R was one of the few companys that was not 100% war production and were selling the H&R 65 to civilians during the time they were selling the Military rifles.
Sorry there is no other information that I know of.
If there is parkerize finish inside the USMC stamp then it would have been re-parkeriized. As none came from the H&R plant marked USMC. As to the starting number on the serial number I don't think there is any records of that. Some of the experts say that any serial number less than 17,000 could be a Military rifle. I guess lower the serial number the better it is. I would have no serious problem listing your 8xxx rifle as Military. I had a higher number than yours in my Military display and replaced it with a 19xx rifle. This 19xx rifle is kinda special as serial number is the same as the year I got married.
H&R was one of the few companys that was not 100% war production and were selling the H&R 65 to civilians during the time they were selling the Military rifles.
Sorry there is no other information that I know of.
I suspected the rifle had been reparkerized. However, the repark was done a long time ago....you can see a patina line where the stock covers the metal. Had figured that since the U.S.M.C. had parkerizing in the recesses of the letters it probably was reparked. If the letters were shiny in the recesses it may have been the original finish. Also a repark may be an indication of military use.
I understand about special S/N's. I have a Winchester 52D with a S/N the same as the year and month as the date I joined the Corps.
AJ
I suspected the rifle had been reparkerized. However, the repark was done a long time ago....you can see a patina line where the stock covers the metal. Had figured that since the U.S.M.C. had parkerizing in the recesses of the letters it probably was reparked. If the letters were shiny in the recesses it may have been the original finish. Also a repark may be an indication of military use.
I understand about special S/N's. I have a Winchester 52D with a S/N the same as the year and month as the date I joined the Corps.
AJ
If reparked then it probaly is a Military. I was told by a long time Military collector that H&R didn't use parkerizing on their Military rifles. It was another sorta same type of finish and about the same as parkerizing. Next time I see him I will find out what the finish is and write it down.
You have a nice rifle value at 500-700. Keep the action clean and enjoy it.
Now you will have to watch out for the H&R 65 MC-58 improved model. The H&R 65 MC-58 is marked USMC Property and has the safety in the trigger guard like the M1 Garand. Made in 1958 with about 3000 or so produced. Very rarely ever seen and cost about 1200-1500. It was designed for training for the Springfield M14. I have one and much heavier made.
If reparked then it probaly is a Military. I was told by a long time Military collector that H&R didn't use parkerizing on their Military rifles. It was another sorta same type of finish and about the same as parkerizing. Next time I see him I will find out what the finish is and write it down.
You have a nice rifle value at 500-700. Keep the action clean and enjoy it.
Now you will have to watch out for the H&R 65 MC-58 improved model. The H&R 65 MC-58 is marked USMC Property and has the safety in the trigger guard like the M1 Garand. Made in 1958 with about 3000 or so produced. Very rarely ever seen and cost about 1200-1500. It was designed for training for the Springfield M14. I have one and much heavier made.
I took the rifle to the range today. Had trouble with all three magazines. All three had feeding problems and the newest looking one does not want to seat properly. If I only load 5 rounds in each magazine they feed well, I am thinking the springs are feeling their age. Rifle functioned well using Federal AutoMatch. Group for me was about a 2 inch group at 50 yards on an A23 target. Wish it had a apreture front sight instead of the post. Also wish the eyes looking at it were younger! Lots-O-Wishes!!
I saw a 65 MC-58 for sale. The S/N was my old MOS, thought about it for about 2 minutes then decided to pass on it as the price was $2K.
AJ
A 65 MC-58 for $2K is way over priced and will never sale.
A 65 MC-58 for $2K is way over priced and will never sale.
I understand that, that is why I never seriously thought about it. However, having the same serial number as my old MOS would make it very attractive if the price had been right.
Have figured out the spring in the magazines must be weak. They feed fine with only 5-6 rounds in them. Fill them up and jam-o-matic until you get down to about 5 rounds. In slow fire groups run about 2 inches or so. In rapid fire all rounds will stay in an A23 bull at 50 yards. Trigger pull is very heavy, takes two men and a boy to trip the trigger. Let a friend shoot it today and he thought the safety was on. Any way to adjust the trigger?
emmagee1917
08-23-2010, 04:07
There is no trigger adjustment. Polishing / stoning the proper surfaces would be the only way. Pull the action from the stock and check for a bent part causing binding. Any chance that someone put a Wolff spring set in it? Those things are so over-strong they've caused heavy pulls in some of my Reisings. If so , fighting all that spring tension could be causing your feeding problems , just too much for the .22 to overcome until the bolt drag reduces from a half spent mag. Also , I'm guessing you have cleaned it and lubed it. Pull the back plug and try the trigger pull with minimal hammer preasure.
If too strong of springs is not the reason , then the mainspring under the bbl may be too weak , not maintaining enough bolt speed to chamber from a filled mag.
Chris
There is no trigger adjustment. Polishing / stoning the proper surfaces would be the only way. Pull the action from the stock and check for a bent part causing binding. Any chance that someone put a Wolff spring set in it? Those things are so over-strong they've caused heavy pulls in some of my Reisings. If so , fighting all that spring tension could be causing your feeding problems , just too much for the .22 to overcome until the bolt drag reduces from a half spent mag. Also , I'm guessing you have cleaned it and lubed it. Pull the back plug and try the trigger pull with minimal hammer preasure.
If too strong of springs is not the reason , then the mainspring under the bbl may be too weak , not maintaining enough bolt speed to chamber from a filled mag.
Chris
Chris,
Thanks for the input and suggestions. Guess I will be looking for a mainspring at the least. Yuma huh? haven't been to Yuma in a number of years. Used to deploy to MCAS at least once a year. Does Senators Wash still have the public ranges? We use to bring out guns just to go out there shooting on our time off.
AJ
emmagee1917
08-24-2010, 10:31
I was never aware of any at Senator's Wash. Do you mean the big complex at Adair Park? It's still there , though I have not been to it in 20 years or so. The county turned it over to the individual clubs and I just got tired of all the BS. Someone with a grudge shot up one of the range buildings with a few 50BMG rounds , and a party from the clubs came to my store and said because they knew I had a 50 , I was no longer welcomed there. I go to Patton's WW2 500 yd range on BLM land. Closer to town than Adair and no political BS about MGs , mortars , tanerite, tracers , incenerarys , cannons , etc.
Used to hang out with a lot of YPG , MCAS , Sherriff and YPD people , but they've all preaty much have retired / rotated out now days. We havn't done a year end / begining car / MG shoot in several years and our last fourth of July cannon shoot only had 4 people show up.
Anyway , we've might have met. Thanks for your service.
Chris
I was never aware of any at Senator's Wash. Do you mean the big complex at Adair Park? It's still there , though I have not been to it in 20 years or so. The county turned it over to the individual clubs and I just got tired of all the BS. Someone with a grudge shot up one of the range buildings with a few 50BMG rounds , and a party from the clubs came to my store and said because they knew I had a 50 , I was no longer welcomed there. I go to Patton's WW2 500 yd range on BLM land. Closer to town than Adair and no political BS about MGs , mortars , tanerite, tracers , incenerarys , cannons , etc.
Used to hang out with a lot of YPG , MCAS , Sherriff and YPD people , but they've all preaty much have retired / rotated out now days. We havn't done a year end / begining car / MG shoot in several years and our last fourth of July cannon shoot only had 4 people show up.
Anyway , we've might have met. Thanks for your service.
Chris
Ordered a Retracting Spring this morning from Numrich. Will put it in when it arrives.
Thought the ranges were at Senators Wash. I remember seeing that sign. Wherever we went had 4-5 ranges. We shot pistols/revolvers on one range. off to the side of that range we ran into a couple of Highway Patrol Officer's with their own M-60 one Sunday afternoon. This was in the early 80's.
Thank you.
AJ
emmagee1917
08-25-2010, 09:55
Well , if you had Trap and Skeet , then Black Powder 200yd range , then a 500M steel range , a remote airplane field and baseball fields , then turned the corner on the 1000 yd Hi-power , then turned down the other side of that to a trio of 50 yd police pistol , 100 yd .22 , and then a 2700 pistol range , that's Adair. The pistol combat range between the police and the .22 range might have been there then too.
If you left the main gate and turned left on 32nd street or 16th street ( hwy 95) and went down the main drag , over the bridge into Ca. , that's Senator's Wash. If you went down to 32nd or 16th and turned right out of town for about 10-12 miles , that's Adair. Right next to Adair is McFall's bridge , the miniture of the Golden Gate that was built to test the theories before they built it , that now ( and back then) was closed and had no water running under it.
Chris
carolyny476
09-07-2010, 05:54
Nice rifle!!
My 65 is not marked USMC, is green parkerized and has an oil finished stock, no where near as nice as the rifle you just picked up.
My rifle shoots 40gr standard velocity ammo very well, yours should too. The model 165 you turned me on to likes cheap Walmart ammo, go figure.
Thanks you for the reply.
Replaced the mainspring and recleaned & oiled. Ran about 100 rounds through it today and works good now!
emmagee1917
09-21-2010, 08:44
Good to hear. I have three of them and about half a dozen bolt action military trainers , and I always seem to want to reach for one of the 65s first. They are a lot of fun and feel like a man's rifle should. The fact that a few of them served on the front lines with the Marines in WW2 endear them to me more than the bolt actions , too.
Chris
Good to hear. I have three of them and about half a dozen bolt action military trainers , and I always seem to want to reach for one of the 65s first. They are a lot of fun and feel like a man's rifle should. The fact that a few of them served on the front lines with the Marines in WW2 endear them to me more than the bolt actions , too.
Chris
Are any of the bolt action rifles full sized military trainers? I have this one http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2713424&postcount=2 , it is always a hoot when I shoot it at the range. Everyone is expecting a big old boom when it goes off and all you hear is pop.
emmagee1917
09-22-2010, 10:26
Yep....Mossberg 42MB , an early 44US with the Lyman 57MS , a late 44US with the s-100 sight , a Remington 513-T , a Springfield M2 , and a Stevens 416-2-T . Good thing I don't collect them LOL! Picked up one Reising because I wanted "A" .22 in my collection to plink with and I didn't want a 10/22. Found out it was a rare " ratrifle" , so I bought another to shoot. It turned out to be an earlier , true military trainer , so I bought a third , post-war one as my shooter. At the same time , the Boy scouts dropped allowing repeaters for shooting. A lot of old timers had kept these trainers around for the boys use , so when they said "No thanks any more " , some one told them that this crazy fool was now into these trainers , so all of a sudden I was swamped by people wanting to sell these to me . I got them cheep , picked the best of each type for my now suddenly existing collection , and found good homes for the rest. They are all more accurate than I can shoot , but still , I perfer the Reisings.
Chris
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