View Full Version : My brother gave me a round of 7.62MM marked LC 55 steel case
Johnny in Texas
with NATO marking. Anyone know the story on this ammo?
I have a L C 56 steel case too, headstamp also has the NATO cross. The center cartridge is a
L C 54 AP (without NATO cross) and a 22/7.62mm headstamped WCC 53.
I do not really collect alot of 7.62mm as there too many variations. The early post war cartridges starting with the 300 Savage and the different case lengths and shoulder
profiles are interesting (called pre NATO short cases).
I think the steel case was just part of the different testing that went on during the developement10199
Check it with a magnet to be sure it is steel as it could be Zinc plated brass. For some reason if it is Zinc I am thinking they my be proof rounds? I don't know this for sure,just something I seem to remember from a long time ago.
My steel L C 56 cartridge takes a magnet, mine is a steel case
Pre and post NATO cartridges is a collecting specialty that needs a book to describe all of them in enough detail to ID them correctly. They are what I collect.
The steel '55 cartridges are fairly common. They were, more or less, still experimental, even though the 7.62mm NATO cartridge had been adopted in late 1954. It is an M59 with steel case.
The High Pressure test cartridges look similar but they are brass, tin plated.
The LC 54 AP is a pre-NATO experimental and was designated the FAT93E2. It was adopted as the M61.
In general, the 30 caliber pre-NATO experimentals are called Cal .30 Light Rifle.
The 22 is an experimental that was part of the SCHV (Small Caliber High Velocity) and Project SALVO experiments of the 1950s. It is properly called Cal. 22 for Light Rifle, 7.62mm case.
Dave in NGA
I've got several boxes of FA 51 stamped ammo. Is this rare or unusual for 7.62?
The 1951 cartridges are one of the steps in the development of the 7.62mm NATO. They are what I called previously Cal .30 Light Rifle. They can be common or rare, depending on exactly what they are. If you can give me the information from the box label I can ID them for you. A photo would also help a lot. PM me if you don't want to show the info here.
Dave in NGA
Say Ray, I've got five boxes of Cal .30 T104E1 FA-8 ammo. I purchased it years ago in Greenville, SC at a local gun dealer. Only one of the five boxes has been opened to check the head stamp.
The T104E1 used the 136 grain flat based, mild steel core bullet (T11). The T104E2 used the 147 grain boattail bullet (T21) that became the M59.
In 1951 and 1952 the development of the 7.62mm cartridge was nearing an end. The case design had been finalized and most of the bullet designs too. Only a few minor details remained to be worked out. The cartridge could have been adopted in 1953 except that the rifle (M14) was not yet finalized and the other NATO countries that were involved (England, Belgium, and Canada) had not signed off. It was finally OK'd in late 1954 even though it would be another two years before the rifle was ready.
Here are the two T104 bullets.
George in NH
It has been my experience that M61, 7.62 AP is nearly impossible to find anywhere in NH. I cannot ever remember seeing any cartons of M61 at any gunshow or gunshop or yard sale. Any idea where all that AP went? M2 AP (corrosive or not) shows up on almost a regular basis in NH.
George in NH
I have no idea why the M61 is so hard to find. I have several boxes of the pre-NATO AP (FAT 93) and they can still be found on the auction sites, from time to time. I would guess that the M61 in particular, and AP in general, had some sort of appeal to shooters who like to punch holes in steel plates and they bought up all that they could find. Even the M2 AP will still bring a premium even though billions of rounds were made.
And, there are all sorts of local laws and ordinances making it illegal to own or shoot AP.
The M61 is now obsolete, having been replaced with the M993. The M993 is not manufactured by Lake City and it's vfirtually impossible to import it to the US so you'd be lucky to find a box of it.
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