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Has anybody seen these "U.S. PROPERTY" stamps on left side of stock. Its about 2 5/8" long and 1/2" tall. I have a Stevens military contract M620A that has it, and I have seen a Winchester M37 and a Stevens M5100 dbl with it??
Is this stamp real or faked? TIA!!
Can you post a photo of the mark?
I've seen a 620 with a "US GOVT PROPERTY" and a round DAS mark. It was fake because the round DAS mark was never used on Military firearms.
I'm working on it. I'll try to get it up tomorrow!
Late in the National Match pistol program a rubber stamp was used to apply the DAS to the right rear of the receiver. The stamp appeared to be paint and easily came off, but this DAS stamp was will be found in both round and square type. A picture of this stamp is shown on page 28 in Jenkin's book on the NM pistols.
Here are some pics of M620A Riot #929x.
The Winchester M37 with what looks like same stamp?http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=225138957
The Stevens M5100 with what looks like the same stamp?http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=240330195
Is this some guy with a hot branding iron? or the military post WW2?
The Stevens riot pictured is an early one and appears to be original finish. If ordnance dictated that the receivers be marked US then why would they worry about the stocks? It is just my opinion but the stamp/branding iron shown is not even close, in font or style, to any other USP that I have ever observed on any other weapon.
I dont like that USP, it looks like someone was trying to enhance something, without knowing better
The receiver markings are absolutely correct. Note that it is probably not an original cyl choke, the early marked guns like that one that I have seen were usually procurement guns that were cut down, possibly by the military and possibly by the police.
I have seen Stevens single and double guns with the USP markings in the stock, which did not look anything at all like these. Neither of the other guns appears to be in any way US marked, so I suspect one of the fakers is at it again.
Too bad he did that to the stock of that riot gun, that is a legit gun.
And I think the three asterisks indicate IC choke.
Pure fantasy. A shame too, ruins otherwise nice looking shotguns in a feeble attempt to enhance their value.
Trenchcrazy has an early procurement gun, and the markings on the receiver are original. Scosgt is absolutely correct. Here is a picture of my early gun, with similar markings, and they are difficult to find.
Bruce Canfield shows another picture of the early markings in his newest book on Combat Shotguns, page 138. My gun is really early and does not have the "GHS" inspector marks on the receiver, and the serial number is still printed on the side.
Speedgunner, please do your research before you call someone elses gun "pure fantasy". He has a rare version of a collectable shotgun.
I think I sold you that gun!
I think "pure fantasy" was in regards to the stock markings.
Picked it up in Louisville at the Show of Shows gun show Last year. Was that you? It is also serial numbered on top of the barrel where it meets the receiver.
Nope. But your name is familiar and I am certain that was my gun at one time, the serial number rings a bell. It came from a small group of similar guns that showed up at OGCA one time, they were all cut down with no evidence of a bead sight being installed. The serial numbers are likely hand stamped by Ordinance, I am pretty certain these were procurement guns. Most likely taken from existing factory inventory, rather than contract manufacture. Hence the strange markings which do not match later Stevens contract shotguns.
Just to clarify, guns were not required to have serial numbers back in those days, but guns owned by the military needed serial numbers for obvious reasons. So at some point those numbers were added, probably not hand stamped, the work is too good. Probably the factory took the finished guns and used some kind of specially made dies in a very heavy press.
The serial number (that matches) on top of the barrel is for sure hand stamped. This gun has a 20" Riot barrel with a bead sight and is marked on the side with a single "*". Very nice checkered wood on it and I am happy to have it in my collection. I had been looking for an early marked gun like this one for several years before finding it.
Someone added the bead. It had never had one when I sold it a few years ago. It did have the checkered wood, indicating a long barrel gun. I think the one star is full choke.
I think that one is real.
I gotta admit that I'm hinky as heck on the burned in imprints/marks on those stocks, I'd pass on them. There was a guy selling M1 Garands with all sorts of USMC stampings/burning imprints on the stocks that he foisted off on the unwary, & he's been doing it for better than 30 years........think he was from Long Island, NY, those shotgun stocks surely remind of his "creativity".
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