cartridge quiz

[RCS]

On the left is a black powder cartridge only used in a repeating US rifle, on the right side is a .45 Colt revolver cartridge16170

[Dick Hosmer]

Wild guess - assuming it is something fairly common - .45-60 WCF, M1876?

[RCS]

time period is about right but not used in the Winchester Model 1876

[JBinIll]

Looks kinda like a Bullard cartridge.

[RCS]

Bullard is about ten years later, this quiz cartridge was factory loaded by Winchester with a 280 gr bullet

[k arga]

44 win cf

[JBinIll]

Bullard is about ten years later, this quiz cartridge was factory loaded by Winchester with a 280 gr bullet

Ummm With that bullet weight the only cartridge I see in the WRA catalog is the .44 Evans New Model.

[RCS]

161711617244 Evans NM is the correct answer. The 44 Evans is next to a 30-40 with the 1900 date

[JB White]

I've never even seen an Evans let alone be able to guess what the round was.

[JBinIll]

I've never even seen an Evans let alone be able to guess what the round was.

I've seen and handled one. http://www.sodcity.com/gallery2/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Moulds-etc&id=26_shot

[JB White]

"Best gun in the world" and "deadly accurate out to 1200 yards", yet I wasn't aware of it until this thread. LOL

I love the testimonials: "..and I shot pennies from between my wife's fingers" along with "I can clear out a whole band of Indians...". The Penny was much larger back then, but it had the buying power of about two dollars(?) in todays money.

[RCS]

There are alot of really interesting old US designed and used cartridges like these black powder small bores (wish I had a rifle in some or most of these calibers). Only wildcat and smokeless cartridge is the third from left with the jacket - the R-2 Lovell which was developed from the second cartridge from the left, the 25-20. Griffin&Howe even used the R-2 in their custom rifles with thir own headstamp G & H 22-3000. The R-22 died when the 222 Rem came out.

Left to right 22 WCF center fire, UMC 25-20, G&H 22-3000, Peters 25-21, WRA 25-25 and the 28-30-120 UMC16199

[JBinIll]

Nice collection,always wanted one of those quarter bore single shots to play with.Have a WRA .25-20 SS mould in mint condition and a full box of Steven's .28-30 cartridges,LOL that's as close as I got to having one.........so far.Be fun to play with now that there are suitable powders and primers unlike back then.

[5MadFarmers]

http://www.5madfarmers.com/pimages/evans.jpg

An interesting design. Some really startling features.


I can clear out a whole band of Indians

The gun has 4 columns of cartridges in that tube for a capacity four times the Spencer it was inspired by. Truly the "assault weapon" of the era.

[Dick Hosmer]

Never heard it described quite like that - there may be "four columns" but they are advanced in a continuous stream by some sort of helical/revolving action, correct? In other words, you don't exhaust one column, and then switch to another. Also, IIRC, one must load the rounds one at a time, and cycle the lever while doing so - plus, all that firepower came at a huge price in weight - the gun by itself is not light, and loaded with, what, 34 rds. in the OM, it must have been a handful!

[5MadFarmers]

there may be "four columns" but they are advanced in a continuous stream by some sort of helical/revolving action, correct? In other words, you don't exhaust one column, and then switch to another.

Correct. Archimedes screw.


Also, IIRC, one must load the rounds one at a time, and cycle the lever while doing so

It gets worse. "Topping up" is nonsense regards the Garand but, in this case, is a very weak point. There is no way to fill "gaps" in the magazine. Fired 4 rounds and want a full magazine? Lever all the rounds out and then lever a new load in. Ouch.


plus, all that firepower came at a huge price in weight - the gun by itself is not light, and loaded with, what, 34 rds. in the OM, it must have been a handful!

Actually I don't find it that heavy and 28 or 32 cartridges in a gun isn't particularly debilitating - the Thompson is an extremely heavy gun [empty] and contains a like number of cartridges in the original drum magazine but many used them for various purposes without the weight being a big problem. I'd tolerate the weight for the firepower. Assuming my arm wasn't worn out from re-loading it.


The gun didn't really fail on merits. Factors outside of the gun itself saw its demise.