Disrespect to parent

[gremlin]

My brother and I were grocery shopping in line to checkout. I heard a shouted shut up. WE looked over and it was a @ 7 year old boy yelling this to his mother. My first thought was to smack him myself. He did this several times. Mother did not do anything. My mom would have slapped me so hard! And then when we got home, OH BROTHER! This is not acceptable behavior to teach our kids. GOD help our nation. Your thoughts? greg :eusa_wall:

[Former Cav]

would have been the same for me as you had stated.
problem is, if she smacks the kid in public or even looks at it cross eyed, the "progressives" will haul her off for child abuse.
sick world we live in.
The Bible has it right about "spare the rod, spoil the child"
Bob

[RogerFoxDog]

Raised the same way you guys were raised. Damn the " Casper Milktoast" progressives! I gave my kid ( now 18 ) the same gift of discipline that my folks gave me.:icon_salut:

[CTMC(ret)]

Amazing timing!! Today, similar circumstances got a guy arrested on several counts including felony cruelty to children...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/20682576/detail.html

[Gloria Admin]

It is immensley cruel to children to let them grow into mean, mouthy, unacceptable monsters. If parents never say no to them who is going to stop them from being monsters in school, from taking whatever they want regardless of who owns it, from hurting others because they are in a bad mood? That mother was a stupid, irreponsible cow not fit to be a parent. In a few years she will want the state [taxpayers] to take her child because she will be afraid of him.

[dave]

AS stated above if she hits the child or other punishment she can be in allot of trouble! In my day, also as stated, I would have been smacked and on-lookers would have nodded aproveingly! Now on-lookers call the cops. You even have to be careful in your own home, most 7 yr. olds know they can get a parent in trouble and some will do it!
Believe it! My daughter is a court reporter and has told me of such cases.

[2571]

Can't find a website with the songs being performed but found appropriate lyrics:
SB---
I got to thank mama for the cookin'
Daddy for the whuppin'
The devil for the trouble that I get into
I go to give credit when credit is due
_________
MH---
Chorus
And I turned twenty one in prison doing life without parole
No-one could steer me right but mama tried
Mama tried to raise me better but her pleading I denied
That leaves only me to blame 'cause mama tried

[PhillipM]

I've seen some old school black women around here carry a switch with them in the grocery or dollar stores. I recall one that didn't even have to speak, just rested the switch on her little son's shoulder whenever he even looked like he was going to run off or grab at something. All it took.

I remember watching Dave Ramsey, the financial guy, relate a story when his youngest son started to whine when a goodie was refused in the grocery store. His sisters drug him one aisle over and told him "You don't want to do that, not here!"

As to the kid you witnessed all the mom can do is punish him at home. After his little hams were sufficiently smoked, she then needs to say if you do it again, it will be at the store and it will hurt more. You have been warned. The kid doesn't know she could get in trouble.

[mold maker]

Not to excuse that parents behavior, but if all the circumstances were known, there might be a really good reason you can't see.
As the grandparent of a child with disabilities, there have been times, when others might have said the same about me. It's not obvious that BJ is disabled both mentally and physically. He appears normal until he doesn't get what he wants. He often becomes, both physically and verbally abusive to us, and or, to himself. This includes outbursts like the one sited above.
Physical punishment isn't the answer, and only makes matters worse. The only way to resolve his behaviors are to totally restrain him in a way that ends up being a hug, to adjust his attitude. This is almost impossible to do in public. It is easily perceived to be torture or abuse, but is necessary to de-intensify the situation. The only alternative is to allow him to blow off steam, and gradually calm down on his own.
Again it may not be relative to the lady above, but having had to deal with BJ, I can overlook a lot of others actions.

[Troy (WA)]

I have been to many calls where a child has alleged abuse. Much to the childs surprise the "abuse" was determined to be discipline which is allowed. Discipline that includes transient physical pain and minor temporary marks is allowed. A slap in the smart mouth is fine as long as the results do not include a severely split lip. A swat on the behind is fine even with a switch or belt as long as it is not creating deep bruising. Punching or beating with a cord or similar device that would leave a longer last mark/bruising is not. The use of Wooden spoons and spatulas usually cannot create enough force to be excessive. There is widespread hearsay amongst children that all they have to do is claim abuse to avoid any formal discipline from a parent. Some parents have bought off on this and avoid any type of corporal punishment. So when their child is out of control they call the cops. Many times I have arrived and instructed the parent on what type of corporal discipline is appropriate. On occasion I have even offered to stand by to witness them set "Johnny" straight. Most of the time my offer is declined. It sure gets the attention of the child and return trips to that residence for the same problem is null. Parents in public should be reasonable and calm no matter how angry or embarrassed we are. We should tell the child why they are being disciplined so they understand and so that bystanders can understand what is happening.

Of course your own state laws apply but I do not believe that any state has prohibited corporal punishment. At least not yet.

[Gloria Admin]

Mental disability is no excuse for allowing bad behavior. My autistic daughter is 33 now, still lives at home and is my right hand girl. She learned what was acceptable and what wasn't from an early age. Mentally disabled children may be a little harder to teach, but they are worth the effort and they can learn. Starting out with a problem like that, they need to work harder than others at their behavior but that is only way they will have a chance a reasonably normal life. No physical disability excuses sass.

[Brian Davis]

Mental disability is no excuse for allowing bad behavior. My autistic daughter is 33 now, still lives at home and is my right hand girl. She learned what was acceptable and what wasn't from an early age. Mentally disabled children may be a little harder to teach, but they are worth the effort and they can learn. Starting out with a problem like that, they need to work harder than others at their behavior but that is only way they will have a chance a reasonably normal life. No physical disability excuses sass.

Bless you & your daughter, Pat. You've taken a tough, but loving approach & done the best with a less-than-ideal situation. A tip o' the hat to you, ma'am.

[PhillipM]

+1 What Brian said. Both of you are to be commended for going the extra mile with your special needs children. Of course my earlier statements were directed at a spoiled brat's behavior, not a special needs child. I'll certainly take that into consideration the next time I see a fussy child instead of jumping to conclusions.

[John Sukey]

My father was a bit old fashioned, He still had a razor strop.:eek:
To make matters worse, My mother used her hairbrush.;)
I survived.

JUst a possibility, that woman could have just left the shopping cart, picked up the kid, and took him out to the car for a time out.
Bad behaviour should not be tolerated as it only leads to more of the same.

[Faulkner]

I arrested a 10 year old boy a couple of weeks ago for domestic violence on his mother. They got into a shouting match and it got out of hand, she pulled out a wooden spoon and smacked him with it, he took it away from her and beat the snot out of her. She was able to break free and call 911 on her cell phone. When I got on the scene I could tell after 2 minutes the kid came by the disrespectful and violent attitude honestly, directly from her.

Had no choice but to cuff and stuff the kid, but taking him to juvenile certainly won't fix this "family's" problems. After 15 years of law enforcement, I'm convinced some people should not be allowed to breed.

[Gloria Admin]

If you haven't taught them to be respectful by the time they are three, the job becomes very difficult, by five or six, impossible. I can't imagine what the heck society is supposed to do with these maladjusted kids. They often grow up to be dangerous, if they want something, they take it, if someone gets in the way, too bad. In a free society you can't regulate who has children, but we sure need to cut off increased welfare payments for additional children and be very generous with birth control pills and condoms.

[S.A. Boggs]

When I was a Case Manager for our agency, I often got kids directly off the children's team and introduced the "kids" to the adult world. Often they were juvenille offender's and used to getting a slap on the wrist. Our judge was a lot stiffer in handing out punishment. Sad to say, if the parent's had done what the parent's were suspose to do society and the kids would have been better off. I am glad that I am no longer a case manager, this past March I got to switch to a much better job in transporation. My anger, stress and blood pressure sure went down. No more med's just to cope with the day to day. Oh well, 3 years, ten months and 19 days to freedom.:banana100:
Sam

[John Sukey]

And we can all THANK Dr. Spock who came up with the insane idea that kids are really "little adults" and you can "reason" with them.

[Dave Waits]

I'm on my second marraige( I know!), I raised three of my own and didn't spare the rod on them when they deserved it. they turned out fine. But, she has two a boy and a girl that were wild as kids. We were in a Kroger's once when they were 7 and 9. They were running around, grabbing stuff and running into people. My wife took a step towards them and both started screaming, "Don't beat us again!" I just smiled and quietly told them,"Wait until we get home. What you would've gotten here is nothing compared to what's going to happen when we walk in that door." After that, you couldn't have found two better-behaved kids in that store!

:banana100:

[gremlin]

My mother would use a ping pong paddle on my butt when I needed it. One time she broke it and I said, " HA! now you can't spank me anymore." Her reply, "Get me another paddle." She would give us a look when we acted up that spoke loudly. I raised my kids the same way. A look of warning is a promise of what is to come! greg :evil6:

[John Sukey]

Couldn't resist another go at it.
Did you ever watch a mother dog or cat when the pups or kittens got out of line? They got a swat. Human kids are no different.
Ever watch one of those wildlife shows with lion cubs? Same thing.;)

Children, like pups or kittens will push until they find out what is allowed. Without limits they turn into spoiled brats who will eventualy have harsher limits set by society, ie; getting knocked on their arse by someone not as forgiving as their parents, or even arrested and sent to prison.

[John Kepler]

I guess what I object to more is when a "parent" farms-out raising their kids to a (maybe) minimum-wage daycare center which is (maybe) nothing but semi-organized chaos where anything goes....and then tries to be a "reasonable" irate parent when the kid acts like the undisciplined monster he/she is 90% of the time!

"Homer, your half-a$$ed over-parenting is worse than your half-a$$ed under-parenting!" B. Simpson

[mike webb]

The common theory now is physical punishment damages a childs self esteem.
That's a crock, if it were true I would feel totally worthless with the amount of times I was "tuned up" as my dad used to call it.
A well-aimed swat on the backside is the most efficient way to correct most kids misbehaviour rather than standing in a public place having a debate with a 4 year old. Ever notice they always speak in the second person.
"Mommy is getting very upset with you and she's really tired."

[2571]

My LEO partner locked up an 11 year old girl who assualted granny with a fronzen chicken that had been put out on the kitchen counter to thaw.

Use of any instrumentality in an assault makes it a felonly here and that's what kid went to court on.

Imagine telling you cell mate that you're in for FA/chicken.

[RogerFoxDog]

Couldn't resist another go at it.
Did you ever watch a mother dog or cat when the pups or kittens got out of line? They got a swat. Human kids are no different.
Ever watch one of those wildlife shows with lion cubs? Same thing.;)

Children, like pups or kittens will push until they find out what is allowed. Without limits they turn into spoiled brats who will eventualy have harsher limits set by society, ie; getting knocked on their arse by someone not as forgiving as their parents, or even arrested and sent to prison.

You hit it right on the head John! They are always testing their boundries. At that age they can understand a swat on the behind as opposed to trying to reason with them. Loss of freedoms and potential consequences for their actions are a much higher thought process for their young brains. This will come later.

[John Sukey]

Mike, I had my "self esteem" damaged a number of times :eek:
However I also recieved many hugs as a child;)
On the whole, the love far outweighed the swats on the backside.