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Friend of mine uses Alox Lube in a Lee Bullet sizer caliber .38 & .357. I'm thinking I might lean toward this method.
Pros and Cons would be appreciated from any of you fellows using same.
I have a very old Lyman bullet sizer, but seals are shot and not sure if it's worth going through the trouble of searching for parts. Lee Alox system looks and sounds good. But you never know until you have tried it or get input from someone that has tried same..:icon_scratch:
By the way; you think Lyman would repair the old bullet sizer/lube if they were contacted?
High Plaines Doug r
I've used Lee liquid alox on thousands of cast .38 and .45 pistol bullets with perfect satisfaction. Whenever I buy cast bullets I tumble them in Lee alox to cover up the questionable lube most casters put on their bullets. The only rifle bullets I've used it on is 30-30 and it works fine on those.
Pour bullets into a plastic tub; squirt alox over them; shake/toss to coat; turn them out on a piece of waxed or freezer paper to dry overnight; finish by running them through your sizer.
Your tub becomes dedicated to bullet tossing as after the liquid alox sets, it just about won't come clean.
I don't think you can fill your Lyman sizer with liquid alox but you could size your coated bullets through it. HTH
Lyman still has the O rings for the 45 and 450 sizers. The O rings Lyman sells now are better than the originals. For the 45, the O rings you find at the hardware store blow out pretty quickly.
I use some Liquid Alox and the Lee sizer, and a lot of 50/50 lube through Lyman and Star sizers. If your mold drops consistently at the diameter you need, and you are using a low performance caliber, and you have a smooth bore, the Lee system will work fine even without the Lee sizer, but the Lee liquid lube builds up on the Seater Stem of your Seater Die, giving you incrementally deeper seating with each successive bullet seated. You'll need to watch OAL, and when it gets out of range, clean your Seater Stem.
The longer I shoot cast bullets in pistols, the more impressed I am that most pistols have groove diameters well over spec. Bullets too small for groove diameter will give you lots of Leading.
If there's any variability of your pistol bullet diameters, it would be best to either size after lubing and lube again, or use a Lee Factory Crimp die after loading.
I sometimes dip noses of bore-riding cast rifle bullets in Liquid Alox, and let them dry nose down.
I use the hardware store O rings with form a gasket. Redid my sizer 6 years ago and still no trouble. The Lee is good, but expensive. Do a search for Whilte Label Lube instead of Lee.
If you don't mind the sticky mess, Liquid Alox is ok. I prefer to thin mine with mineral spirits then grasp the bullet with a pair of tongs and dip it in the thinned lubed coating only the tumble lube portion. For those bullets with regular lube grooves I have to second the recommendation of White Label Lube. I use their Carnauba Red in my Lyman sizer for most of my bullets. Lyman parts: http://www.lymanproducts.com/store/page150.html
I recommend Liquid Alox for .357 loads. As Hi Plains Doug wrote, I also just tumble the bullets in a plastic container -- I don't cast so I don't use the stuff in a sizer.
That being said the stuff is VERY effective for full-power .357 and .44 loads with ball powder. I use 14.0 of W296/H110 (identical stuff) with a 158 SWC in a .357 with NO gas check and get virtually NO leading with an Alox-coated bullet. Mind you, you DON'T need a lot of the stuff -- a very thin coating is quite effective.
Be careful not to confuse the two "Alox" lubricants:
The NRA formula, a greasy lubricant applied by a lubricator/sizer or by pan lubing and composed of 50% Alox 2138F and 50% Beeswax. The Lubrizol Corporation stopped making the component Alox 2138F some years ago, so most people are just using another Alox product, Alox 350, which differs from 2138F only in that 2138F has a small amount of another wax (3% C700 - perrolite) added.
The Lee Liquid Alox is Alox 606-55. It drys to a gold or brown varnish-like coating. The stuff is Alox 606 dilluted with mineral spirits. Alox 606 is a solid, and it is frequently sold dilluted with either 30% mineral spirits (606-70) or 45% mineral spirits (606-55). It is used as an anti-corrosion coating, such as on the underside of cars. It works to prevent Leading in rifle barrels also when the bullets fired have had it applied.
Note that after repackaging from 55 gallon drums to iddy-bitty bottles, Lee's markup on Lee Liquid Alox is HUGE. You can get the same stuff much cheaper from:
thanks for all the great info. folks! My printer is churning away right now.
The place I buy reloading supplies once got a case, 12 bottles, of Lee Liquid Alox in and as the clerk opened the case, he cut one of the bottles which bled all over the others. The owner sold me the entire mess cheap. I had 11 intact & 1 cut bottle, which got used up first. That had to be 20+ years ago & I still have a couple bottles left. I just opened another & it is still fresh, still pours OK & still works.
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