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Kirk
04-13-2010, 07:09
I had the opportunity to test the new S&W .22 carbine so I thought I’d compare it to rifles capable of excellent accuracy with several kinds of ammo. One 10-shot group (except as noted) was fired at 25 yds with each type of ammo from each rifle. Each group was fired from a rest using the same Tasco 4x16 power scope @ 16x. As testing for each rifle was complete, the scope was moved to the next rifle & roughly rezerored. Several reviews of the S&W reported excellent, sub-MOA accuracy; others got mediocre accuracy. I’d hoped for a sub-MOA gun but it was not to be.

The carbine is nicely made & has a solid feel. The magazine is polymer, as is everything else except the barrel, bolt, trigger & other internal parts and the sights. Interestingly, the magazine is a double stack design. You can see the alternating rounds from the rear of the magazine and from the side through slots cast into magazine body. Feeding & functioning was 100%. The trigger pull on the sample tested was able to lift a 141 oz weight from the floor; trigger pull is about 8 lb, 13 oz which is quite a bit heavier than the advertised 7 lbs. The trigger has a little creep and overall is quite stiff.

The insides of the magazine well is tapered to accept the M&P 15-22 magazine; it can not accommodate a standard AR-15 magazine. Likewise, the upper can not be attached to an AR-15 lower as the lugs have different dimensions. Besides, it would then be a single shot without its special magazine.

Before the accuracy tests, I zeroed the carbine with it’s issue iron sights. These work quite well. Adjustments are positive & repeatable. Since I was firing at 25 yds, I’m not sure if they have the same value as similar sights on a centerfire rifle. I did not do any accuracy testing with the iron sights simply because my vision is such that the front sight is blurry no matter what I do.
The wind remained almost dead calm up until the Mossberg was tested with the SK ammo; then it began to gust. If conditions had held, that group would have been about .50" instead of .70". There were 3 misfires with the Remington ammo out of about 80 rounds fired, none for the others.

The groups are in the linked .pdf document

Kirk
04-14-2010, 05:41
More pictures

Kirk
04-14-2010, 05:43
and more

Kirk
04-14-2010, 05:45
last pics.

Parashooter
04-14-2010, 12:44
Guess it just goes to show that a plastic imitation, even one branded "S&W", isn't in the same class as a real rifle - or even a decent mousegun conversion. I've seen better groups at 100 yards from a good .22 upper mated to an ordinary AR15-type lower.

JohnMOhio
04-16-2010, 09:07
Thanks Kirk for a good report and taking the time to post it along with photos.

Faulkner
04-18-2010, 06:52
Guess it just goes to show that a plastic imitation, even one branded "S&W", isn't in the same class as a real rifle - or even a decent mousegun conversion. I've seen better groups at 100 yards from a good .22 upper mated to an ordinary AR15-type lower.

I'd like to see that . . . I've not seen a good .22 upper. Can you recommend one?

Parashooter
04-18-2010, 07:41
One that impressed me was by riflesmith Derrick Martin of Mesa, Arizona. Don't know if he's still making them.

http://accuracyspeaks.com/public_html/22lrar15.htm

lyman
04-30-2010, 05:38
I'd like to see that . . . I've not seen a good .22 upper. Can you recommend one?

CLE is highly recommended as well,
still saving to buy one,

just picked up a SW 22, and will hopefully have some range time next week, I'll try to remember to take the camera and get some shots,

Kirk
04-30-2010, 07:05
CLE is highly recommended as well,
still saving to buy one,

just picked up a SW 22, and will hopefully have some range time next week, I'll try to remember to take the camera and get some shots,

Lyman ( and anyone else who can do this):

I took the S&W back to the range as a plinker. I noticed there is a ring inserted a the end of the handguard. I found that it is held in place by four plastic fingers which I released. The ring bears tightly on the barrel & will not fall off it has to slid off.

Since the ring fits tight against both the hand guard & barrel, I wondered how that affects accuracy. Since I was already at the range & did not have a scope sight, I could not test it with the ring removed. It will be about two weeks before aI have time to test it again.

When you go to the range, try your M&P, with & without the ring installed, from a solid rest & with a good scope sight. The handguard is rigid &, like a real AR, attaches to the receiver, not the barrel, like a float tube. I bet accuarcy will improve if the barrel is free floated! This could be an easy way to make the M&P into a real accurate rifle. I cant see any real function the ring fills; it could be removed or at least relieved so that it does not touch the barrel.

lyman
05-05-2010, 02:54
Kirk

had a breif trip to the range today,
25yrd groups were very good w/ some old PMC high vel stuff, and ok with some PMC target, and mini mags,

not enough time to really do a good ammo test, or pull off the ring, (didn't have time to remove the birdcage before I left for the range)
however my ring is not very tight, it slides easily up to the birdcage,
I'l probably take it off, and open it up a bit when I get the chance,

I have a red dot on the way, and may pick up a set of rings for an extra scope I have,