Should native Indian traditional hunting methods be allowed?

[da gimp]

By the way., my wife is 3/8 Cherokee, she & our daughter can legally posesss a bald eagle wing bone whistle & use owl feathers to tie dry flies. She uses an AR15, an M1 Garand or a 1903 Springfield to hunt deer & big game, not a bow made from Osage Orange & a sharp stick etc.

da gimp

[Sako]

If an Indian wants to live in the old ways then that Indian should be allowed to hunt in the old ways. Not for profit and not part time. Lets face it, the era of the pre casino Indian is just about gone and so are his traditions.

[John Sukey]

da gimp , you have a point. Want to know why we have Apaches in Arizona? They were originaly plains indians, but were driven out of their territory by the souix.
Slavery? Nothing new the "native americans" also had them, not to mention the Mexicans who killed Indian men and used the women and kids as house servants. Then we have the Spanish who invaded in the first place, they had the priests convert the indians and then forced them into their silver mines.
Of course we have that guy in the white house whose ancestors rounded up slaves to sell to dem "evul white folks" Oh by the way, the"peculiar instution" ia alive and flourishing on the African continent.

My apologies for getting so far OT

Just a funny, Tucson was founded in 1746 by an IRISHMAN, Hugo O'Brian working for Spain.

[da gimp]

The Navahos kicked the Apache off their tribal lands is my understanding & forced them into even smaller hunting grounds of less abundance of game & water.

da gimp

[Fred]

I'd heard it was the Souix when they moved in from the east. I also read that the Apaches hated the Souix after that and there was much blood shed whenever the Souix intruded into their land afterwards. No doubt the Navajo were also instrumental in pushing the Apache off of land that the Apache had moved to in the Southwest. I'd read Kit Carson's accounts of how warlike the Navajo were as a people in the early days and how they'd fiercely resisted bing pushed off of their lands by the whites, which Carson was instrumental in effecting along with the military.

[SPEEDGUNNER]

No, and they shouldn't be able to travel without proper documentation either. We are getting too "PC" anymore, and it is going to come back and bite us in the butt!!

I understand and sympathize the Native American got a raw (capital R-A-W deal) from our forefathers, but they need to play by the same set of rules as all the other citizens and members of society.

[John Sukey]

Our forefathers also got a raw deal from other countries which is why many came here. Starting with the pilgrims who were kicked out of Europe.

[Brian Davis]

Right on the money Red, you figured out where I was going.

I believe that conservation and decency should supercede hunting and fishing rights.

Just because it's legal for you to hunt a species to extinction should you? Just because you can tie a sharp rock on the end of a stick and go stab an animal should you?

I'm not too sure what the laws are but I know that one of the primary rules for an ethical hunter is to dispatch the animal as humanely as possible.

Unfortunately we are seeing more and more of a society where certain members of our country feel that they are special and only certain laws apply to them.

Ya got there quick Red.

KTK

That's the first thing I thought of, it depends on what you mean by "traditional".

Skewering them on a spear or firing arrows into them, well, OK. I would rather see the animal dispatched more quickly than that but then we have bow season here in the States.

Running a whole herd off a cliff & then butchering maybe 10% of them & leaving the others crippled & taking hours or even days to die in agony, no. Draining a pond & then walking out & picking up one fish in 20 & leaving the others to rot, no.

Depends on your definition of "traditional".......

[Cecil]

I've got NO problem with their traditional hunting rights as long as they ONLY use traditional hunting weapons. Nothing made after 1880.

[jon_norstog]

Art, the question is applicable to both the U.S. and Canada.

Tom, Public lands, but you bring up a good point.

KTK

Treaty hunting rights are what the US gave in return for peace, right of unimpeded transit, and sometimes, usually, land. There are a lot of boilerplate treaties, especially from 1868 through 1876.

Tribes I'm with right now, Shoshone and Bannock, have hunting rights on "all the unoccupied lands of the United STates." That theoretically includes public lands anywhere in the US, but in phceries.ractical terms it means mostly Idaho, some M ontana, Nevada and Oregon.

The tribal govt. has its own F&G and they impose a lot of regs on the hunters. Limits, seasons, rules about wasting game, caliber of weapon, etc. The fisheries people are really active in Salmon recovery and are always out building redds and nest boxes, cleaning streams, and beating up Bonneville Power for more hatcheries. I do blieve thAT these efforts are starting to pay off, since the Salmon runs have gotten a lot stronger.

There are tribal members who poach. It's a crime and you can get your license revoked for it. of course it matters who you are. if you are connectd you can get away with things that ordinary people can not. But I guess that is true in the dominant society too ...

jn