Statistics and myths about the Vietnam War
I was surprised to read that 15% of the Vietnam Vets did not successfully re-enter society.
What do you guys think of these stats, etc.
I have seen this article several times before. Most of it seems about right. The average age of WWII KIAs sounds a little high but a lot of older folks served, after all it was a maximum effort so that may not be far off. My dad was 29 when he went in and I had two uncles who were 34 and 32. My dad was a SeaBee one uncle was a gunner on an M16 Gun Motor Carriage and the other was a tank mechanic. Both of those guys wound up fighting in the Ardennes Offensive (Battle of the Bulge,) so I suppose it is possible.
Very interesting. I was under a lot of mistaken impressions. Our media really sucks (then and now).
There are some out and out falsehoods about the Vietnam War that have taken on a life of their own. Left wing propaganda was very effective in the late '60s through the mid '70s and was never effectively countered. Of course a lot of that is because the folks running the press today were running the press and putting out the propaganda back then.
I believe that one of the blackest acts in American history was reneging on our pledge to support and supply the RVN after we left. In the early 1970s we just flat cut them off. If all your equipment is American, you have no real industrial base and the Americans cut you off from resupply including spare parts you are truly in deep.... well you get the idea. Maybe the RVN would have lost anyhow but we made it a sure thing.
The US economy went into a contraction, beginning in the northwest in 1972 when Boeing folded up in Seattle. The guys who avoided service, or got out before 1969, were able to get into the decent jobs. By '71, the good jobs were drying up and a lot of us were not able to get on the gravy train. That was my case. I got out in 1970 after 4 years in the Coast Guard. My game plan was to get a little college, then join the MerchaNT Marine and get my engineer's papers. Well, Nixon eliminated the Merchant Marine in 1970 or 71. I finished college, but couldn't get a job - dgree in architecture, there were 5 job openings in the whole Pacific NW, and 250-300 architecture school graduates to fill them.
So I worked, bummed around, made love to many beautiful women, had interesting adventuresand somehow survived. I did go back to college, graduate school, and that led to more adventures. The year I turned 40 was the first year of my life I made more than $10,000. It was also the first year I made over $30K.
I had several bouts of homelessness along the way, but I was never an incoherent, tourette's syndrome boogerbeard I had class. I knew how to stay clean and stay out of sight. I could hitchhike across the US faster than you (or I) could drive.
Well, I got to know a lot of street people. Most of them were Vietnam Vets. There just wasn't any space for us to "re-integrate" although I think that from about 1974 on we became kind of folk heroes to younger men. And women.
A woman goes through a stage in her life where she is in some kind of rebellion against whatever, and is powerfully attacted to men who are outsiders. Well, we Vietnam vets were definitely outsiders.
Pretty accurate I would say.
As described in the book "The Roosevelt Myth" by John T. Flynn published in 1948, the Press (API, CBS, ABC, NBC, Reuters, et al) were banned from White House News Conferences, unless the people Eleanor Roosevelt chose to lead them were hired and put in charge. Most were card carrying Communists (and very close friends of Eleanor). Being baned from the White House Press conferences was a sure death to any news agency, as yesterdays news will not sell today. Henry Wallace the Vice President just before Harry Truman was a card carrying Communist, and we just missed having a Joseph Stalin president. With the exception of Franklin Roosevelt, all of the peoplle mentioned in Flynns' book were still alive when the book was published, and none of them sued Flynn, because it is all proveable.
This is why the press has been left wing for a long long time. It also explains why anyone the press doesn't like is generally considered to be right wing (a subtle way of saying you're a Fascist if you do not toe the Democrap party line).
Gyrene VSM - OFC
Youngest Death - 16yr old SARGEANT?
I have no idea how much is factual - but there is some disputes on date of death for this young man - - - the Virtual Wall ( http://www.virtualwall.org/dr/RaberPJ01a.htm ) has him at 21 at time of death.
plus a Sargeant at 16? when did he sign up 12??
Like all stats - I take them with a grain of salt....