Usmc m1952

[jgaynor]

Did the USMC use the lace on cheek pad with their version of the M1C?

Also what was their method of carrying the scope when it was dismounted? Did the standard M1C web case work or did they have their own to accomodate the larger MC-1 Scope and Mount?

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards,

Jim

[2111]

In Vol 1 Number 2 (Spring 1987) of the GCA Journal (Newsletter at that time), there is a good article on the MC-1952, commonly known as the MC-1. This article weas written by Richard Deane, one of the 18 Charter Members of the GCA. I don't know if this edition is still available through the GCA. In any case the article does mention that during the Korean War the Marine Corps wanted a sniper rifle. They adapted the M1-C but had it modified to there specifications, thus the birth of the MC-1952. It is mentioned that one of the modifications was adding the leather cheek piece. There is no mention as to the carrying case used for the Kollmorgan telescope.

[jgaynor]

2111, thanks for your reply. i will see if I can dig up a copy of the article. Interestingly none of the USMC manuals or parts lists (at least the ones I have) makeany mention of the cheel pad which would seem essentially considering how the scope is mounted.

thanks again,

Jim

[Johnny in Texas]

I have never seen pics of a MC-1952 in the field or in a posed combat sitch. Were they used in Vietnam???

[jgaynor]

I have never seen pics of a MC-1952 in the field or in a posed combat sitch. Were they used in Vietnam???

Unclear. Considering the Redfield Scopes used on the Remington 700's are a direct descendan tof the Kollmorgan's you would think so. Also the heavy duty, quick detachable, USMC version of the Griffin and Howe double lever side mount was (IMHO) a much better choice than the Redfield Jr. used on the Remington. Certainly would seem to be a solid system well suited to Vietnam conditions.

Regards,

Jim

[Johnny in Texas]

I think it was love at first sight between the USMC and the M14, but I have always wondered why the USMC MTU did not develop an interim bracket like the AMTU did to utilize the M84.

If the bracket was a little lower it would have worked well with the MC-1 scope.

[Johnny in Texas]

I read an article on this forum several years back about the MC-1 / M1952 I thought is was by Eagle1 but I cannot find it here. It did refer to cheek pads on M1C's but that Marines were not fond of screwing things to the stock. I saw a picture in one of Senichs books that showed a USMC sniper graduating class and all the snipers with weapons and the guy's with M1C's had the cheek piece laced but slid forward and loose and no scopes mounted. I will look for the picture and post the title and page#.

[2111]

There is a photo in Senich's book, "The Pictorial History of Sniping" of a 3rd Mar. Div. sniper using an M1D in Viet Nam in Jan. 1966. Senich also states that the "Stith-Kollmorgen telescope reportedly did not see combat use in Korea, since it was in service use from about 1954 through 1962 when the M1C-USMC (MC-1) rifle was obsoleted by the Corps." He goes on to say " Contrary to the definition of obsolete, the M1C and M1D remained the quasiofficial sniping arms of the Army and Marine Corps through the mid-60s, when combat requirements in South East Asia necessitated the upgrading of sniper equippment."
I would think a person that could supply some good first hand knowledge of the MC-1952 would be Roland Beaver. Roland served as as a small arms repairman at the Marine Corps Supply Depot at Barstow, Ca. during the late 1950's. I believe he use to post on this forum but not sure.

Eagle1 doesn't post on this forum anymore but can be found on Garanditis ( Adobe Walls Place). You might ask these questions over there.