Possible M1D for sale....

[Brad]

I have found what appears to be a Springfield M1D for sale that I might be able to get for $1700.00 or so. But I dont want it if its not right.
The owner has NO DCM or CMP or any paper work.
The barrel is dated 65 and is NM, The op rod is NM.
There are no cartouches. But a few small numbers stamped on the side of the rifle?
It has the correct scope but I think the mount is after market as the knob appears welded on?
There is a flash hider and leather cheek rest?
I researched this gun a year or so back and concluded it was not built by the govt, but I could easily be wrong. It may still be a good rifle? But only worth the sum of the parts.
At that time he wanted a minimum of $2500 as thats what he had paid for it years back. But now he realizes that with no paper work it may just be a built up shooter?
Any thoughts? I'd hate to pass up a good one.
Or I'd be happy to pass on the info if anyones interested.
Thanks,
Brad

[Fireman Ron]

Sounds like a built up gun. A proper M1D barrel will have a number ending in 555 if I remember right. Can't recall any M1D's with NM marked barrels. There are reproduction M84 scopes out there now as well but his could be original as well. With the CMP selling "real" D's with paperwork for $1500 I would look at them. Og course if his scope is the real deal they bring good money these days as well.

[Dan Shapiro]

Brad, can you get pics?

[GilbertGrosvenor]

The only way to tell if it is a "real" M1D is the release or sales papers. If it is "faked" M1D without even the "real" parts, which can be had very easily, the barrel will NOT have a drawing numberD7312555. You have to remove the handguard which was on top of the barrel in most cases. If the rifle has all correct M1D parts but no paperwork, it is worth whatever all those parts cost retail. No premium for being a "real" M1D. I hope this isn't too confusing.

[Cecil]

If you've been dealing with it that long. Take the time to get verification from CMP. It used to cost $15.

[GilbertGrosvenor]

Why didn't I think of that????? Good advice. Only exception would be one of the SAMCO imports. Marked on the bottom of the barrel where it meets the receiver. You have the remove the follower rod to the import mark, tiny. These are considered the real deal.

[GilbertGrosvenor]

Let me try that again. "You have to remove the follower rod to SEE the import mark. Tiny. These are considered the real deal."

[Brad]

Thanks all.
Yes, I am considering a CMP M1D.
I think thie rifle in question is just a built up shooter with NM parts. No an attempt at a fake.
Still, if its a National match, and the other parts are real, which they appear to be, it's probably still not a terrible price.
Just allot to think about.
Thanks again

[Dan Shapiro]

I can sympathize Brad. Several years ago, checking out a gun shop adjacent to retirement community, I saw an M1D that was on what is known locally as "a widow's consignment". It had 'the look', but the gun shop owner (long time friend) said it came with no paperwork. A note on the tag said that it had been won "in a lottery". Now I'm thinking "CMP lottery" - so the question was, do I gamble and buy it, and send a request to CMP for a serial number search? OR do I send in a request for a search and hope the gun is still there when I come back.

I didn't buy it - and it did go out the door that afternoon.

[John W]

If the barrel is dated 1965 then the drawing number should be stamped on the side near the date, but I've never heard of an original 60's dated M1D barrel or a national match.