King Obamma decrees- instant amnesty.

[UUURah]

1995? This is 2011, things are a bit different now. The "fence" being built is no longer a 3 strand barbed-wire fence 4 feet high. It's made of steel with lights illuminating it.

The usual liberal rant is, "Forget the fence, it's the Republican's fault because they WANT them doing the jobs". That's BS. You STOP them at the border no matter what the cost because that is ROOT of the problem. If it takes more manpower, the National Guard, do it. Stop pussyfooting around. Hey, we won WWII, if we can't fix this, then it's because some don't WANT to fix it.

Just saw where the kids who wandered into Iran were convicted and sent to prison. Gee, do you think we might get a little tougher on those who ILLEGALLY cross our borders? No, liberals want to throw up all kinds of "excuses". Let one illegal cross into Iran, never be seen again.

[Bill D]

Far as I know, North Koreans don't use Wal-Mart ladders to cross into South Korea anytime they feel like it.

A border fence CAN stop this chit!

[DAVEB47]

Need to make it impossible for them to get work and heavily fine companies that do hire illegals. To willingly let illegals stay in this country while we have 9% unemployment is criminal.

[Marine A5 Sniper]

1995? This is 2011, things are a bit different now. The "fence" being built is no longer a 3 strand barbed-wire fence 4 feet high. It's made of steel with lights illuminating it.

Where the heck are you going to get electricity? You would have to run power the length of the fence, and now it is getting expensive. You think they can't cut a power line? Actually, I think they would prefer the lights. Like I said, get down and spend a few days looking over the terrain. You will understand why the fence is a ridiculous idea. Steel, heh? In one week it will have thousands of holes cut in it. Ever hear of bolt cutters? By the way, the National Guard has been deployed to the Arizona border for some time. Net result? Due to the violence in that area, they have closed it off to the public. Doesn't sound like the National Guard is the answer to me. They sent in the Army in Texas (80's), and all they did was kill a poor little shepherd boy whose family had lived in Texas since before it was a Republic. Goodbye Army.

Listen to me. You aren't going to stop them from crossing, particularly now that drugs are involved. Stop hiring them and most of them will quit coming. Legalize drugs and the rest will disappear. Build a fence and you only incur another huge debt.

jt

[UUURah]

I'm done here. My head hurts from banging it against my monitor. I'm going back to the liberal forums where normal libtards will occasionally understand simple logic.

[dryheat]

I have to agree. It sure sounds like the stuff we used to hear around here. Nothing works. Don't do anything. They're just hard working people trying to better their lives.
Now we have some folks in power here who arean't afraid to try something and of course they're constantly being critisized.
1) They don't hike 500 miles to the border, they DRIVE to the border and then walk to Phx. If there weren't vehicle barriers(basically big metal poles not a fence)they would just drive to Maricopa.
2) All walks of life? Maybe some, but most are "mud farmers". Mexico isn't a country of Rocket Scientists.
3) I don't care if they want to better their lot in life, it's not my problem. I dare say, it is the overwhelming of western countries with riff-raff that is sinking the worlds economies(maybe not all of it). There just isn't enough room in the boat for everybody.
There's a dead body found somewhere here locally about once a week, sometimes 3-4 in a week. The other morning some kids found a body in the park(and that's not the first time that's happened). Real nice. This isn't college initiation hazing, it's murder over drugs, human smuggling or just plain cold blooded murder for no reason other than "he dissed me".
Maybe if we legalize drugs they'll play nice.

[John Sukey]

A yess, they are hard working, Carrying backpacks of meth and pot through the desert is hard work!

[Marine A5 Sniper]

I'm done here. My head hurts from banging it against my monitor. I'm going back to the liberal forums where normal libtards will occasionally understand simple logic.

If you are referring to me as a liberal, you are WAY off base. I was born a conservative, and lean way to the right. That doesn't mean I am stupid. I lived and worked all along that border for almost half my life. Most people have no clue how well institutionalized smuggling wets has been for DECADES. I am trying to make you understand that building a fence (laughing) is really a useless idea. They have tried posting the military on the border several times in my life, and it didn't work. The areas are extremely isolated, and military logistics are difficult at best. I have a workable solution - you don't. Don't give them jobs! I live in NC, and everyone hires them like they were long lost cousins around here. Guess what? M13 (extremely violent gang) moved into the area. No one cares. Everyone makes money off them, and then complains about their presence every chance they get. It's a lesson in hypocrisy to the extreme.

They don't walk? Tell that to the ranchers in South Texas who find the dead ones on their ranches that croaked from the heat. Tell that to the girls who monitored the sensors and discovered the sensor alarm patterns at night looked like a wildebeest migration. We are talking about an area larger than most states, and they are walking across it because there are no roads! If you want me to appreciate your logic, demonstrate logic.

Paladin, Cadillo, where are you guys on this subject? I suspect you have both seen what I have seen. I found that many people of Texas believe these people to be the originals inhabitants of the Southern US, and see no problem with the whole issue.

That "Nothing works, don't do anything..." crap is just that. Do something! Don't hire them and don't buy from anyone who does - and forget that stupid fence that has to be the joke of Southern Texas. Hell, they will hire wets to build it!

If you shop at Walmart, or buy Smithfield food products, you are part of the problem and not the solution. Don't just sit back and whine that "somebody should do something" and then run down to Walmart to fill your script. That is hypocrisy, and the very reason we are in the situation we are in.

jt

[dryheat]

Well A5, your right about a lot of it. I agree, stop hiring them. In some states the "novelty" of hiring cheap labor is great, they haven't overwhelmed the sytem and probably behave in a civilized manner. But it's a danerous box to open. AZ is overwhelmed with them and it is a constant battle.
We do workplace raids and deportations. I saw just this morning in our paper a piece aboout the relocation program. We've spent $85 million! to put South Americans on planes and fly them deep in to S.A to prevent them from just strolling right back from Nogales. Sort of like relocating a bad bear away of the city limits. There's no end of poor people from the south(and everywhere else on the planet) and they will just keep on coming until real action is taken by our leaders. Giving sweeping "Oboma amenesty" to 12 million isn't the answer. Lets see,how many get amnesty in 2020-2030...wait, no need for amnesty, everyone gets to stay anyway. Aye,Corrumba!

[John Kuhns]

Isn't it funny?

When she was Governor of Arizona....she complained about the Feds not doing enough.

Now the states are at fault?

Not a surprise in the least. I was all too happy to see her leave here. Now the nation gets to share the pain.