Cops ready for war.

[rayg]

Good discussion. Remember though, No one f**ked with cops back then. No one talked back to them or they got a rap with the night stick, or if they pulled a gun or took a shot at them, they were beat or shot, dumped in an alley, and one less criminal. No camcorders, no cell phone cameras, no law suits, no court trials etc. That's the way it used to be. Kids got out of line, they got a back hand or worst depending on the circumstances. That was respect through fear. I recall talking to some old time Chicago Cops.
They used to rough up thieves and other petty criminals and dump them in garbage cans. Or scared the crap out of them with a ride in the squad car with some threats. They said it straightened a lot of them out and cut the crime down in the neighborhoods. Not condoning it, just telling the stories. Ray

[Guamsst]

Ray, it seems another problem today is cops roughing up people who don't deserve it because they want to push someone around but know the people who deserve it will not just sit and take it. Meanwhile when they do beat or verbally abuse someone who does deserve it they end up receiving far too much criticism. No, Rodney King should not have been beat until he was unrecognizable. But, had he done what he was told when finally stopped after a chase while high, he probably wouldn't have gotten beat at all.

[nashorn]

I find Marty C.'s comments very interesting. Cop with 30+ tears, assignments to tac units, anyone who is critical of the militarization of the police is an idiot.

And he's from NEW JERSEY -- absolutely one of the most FASCIST states in the country. No CCW, no hollow points, no hunting with rifles, no "assault weapons," gun registration... can't even pump your own gas there. High taxes, bloated and corrupt government... and despite all that big-government bossing people around, New Jersey still SUCKS more than just about any other state in the union. It constantly ranks near the bottom of desirable places to live and has a significant population flight.

And who is enforcing the laws of the state? Marty C. and his heavily-militarized tac units which he so ardently defends. Sounds like he's part of the problem.

Exactly, So why even listen to or read what he posts. Them assholes come over the border into Pa. to live because they can't stand that cesspool, Trouble is they bring their liberal/fascist ideas and way of life with them.

[TomSudz]

Holy crap. We're talking about this nonsense again? I skipped from page 1 to page 6 and let me paraphrase 2, 3, 4, 5, "Blah, blah, blah, cops don't need to have all the stuff the military uses like assault weapons and tanks, blah, blah, blah, No, you're wrong, the bad guys have tanks and aircraft carriers, you don't know how dangerous it is out there, blah, blah, blah, Every cop doesn't need to think he's SWAT, if you're so interested in being in the military, join up, blah, blah, blah, I train delta force at my police academy because the military says we do better training than all of the special ops units can, blah, blah, blah." And if it goes to 12 or 20 pages, just read from the start and save the headache. The truth is, not every police department needs a SWAT, dynamic entry, special assistance, or whatever you want to call it and not every warrant needs to be served by kicking in the door and, surprise, you can arrest someone on the street instead of their home. Cops need to start remembering that they're cops and not every person on the street is eying them up to kill them. Yes, it's dangerous and bad people want to do you harm. If that scares you so much that you need to hide behind armored vehicles, then maybe a change of occupation might be called for. Before anybody starts about how dangerous it is out there, let me ask, were fewer or more civilians killed by bad guys, as opposed to cops killed by bad guys? I'm guessing that more civilians were killed by bad guys, so where do I get MY tank? This discussion, just like every other time, will go nowhere and end with one side saying the cops aren't the military and the other side justifying the need for cruise missiles mounted on stryker patrol cars.

[Bill D]

You know, Tom, when you're right, you're right!

[rayg]

Holy crap. We're talking about this nonsense again? I skipped from page 1 to page 6 and let me paraphrase 2, 3, 4, 5, "Blah, blah, blah, cops don't need to have all the stuff the military uses like assault weapons and tanks, blah, blah, blah, No, you're wrong, the bad guys have tanks and aircraft carriers, you don't know how dangerous it is out there, blah, blah, blah, Every cop doesn't need to think he's SWAT, if you're so interested in being in the military, join up, blah, blah, blah, I train delta force at my police academy because the military says we do better training than all of the special ops units can, blah, blah, blah." And if it goes to 12 or 20 pages, just read from the start and save the headache. The truth is, not every police department needs a SWAT, dynamic entry, special assistance, or whatever you want to call it and not every warrant needs to be served by kicking in the door and, surprise, you can arrest someone on the street instead of their home. Cops need to start remembering that they're cops and not every person on the street is eying them up to kill them. Yes, it's dangerous and bad people want to do you harm. If that scares you so much that you need to hide behind armored vehicles, then maybe a change of occupation might be called for. Before anybody starts about how dangerous it is out there, let me ask, were fewer or more civilians killed by bad guys, as opposed to cops killed by bad guys? I'm guessing that more civilians were killed by bad guys, so where do I get MY tank? This discussion, just like every other time, will go nowhere and end with one side saying the cops aren't the military and the other side justifying the need for cruise missiles mounted on stryker patrol cars.

Tom, glad you joined in to help with your contribution to the length of the thread, ,

Hey I'm retired, some say retarded, with nothing better to do, so I enjoy the discussions and differing opinions of the guys here, Ray

[Marine A5 Sniper]

Tom, glad you joined in to help with your contribution to the length of the thread, ,

Hey I'm retired, some say retarded, with nothing better to do, so I enjoy the discussions and differing opinions of the guys here, Ray

Exactly!

jt

[Guamsst]

Tom, glad you joined in to help with your contribution to the length of the thread, ,

Hey I'm retired, some say retarded, with nothing better to do, so I enjoy the discussions and differing opinions of the guys here, Ray

I have met my qouta for the month, I'm not allowed to exceed my qouta, I'm pretty much the only one in the office this week. I will be posting ad nauseum....LOL