Possible Krag Carbine??

[Brad]

Hi friends,
I already made a similar post on the Krag Collector forum regarding this. But if you have not seen it and might help some I would sure appreciate.
I am trying to help my cousin determin if he might have a real carbine. I know enough about this stuff to be dangerous, but think he might have one.
Its a model 1894 (that does not say model) and the s/n is 2883.
The barrel looks like it might be a 22" barrel. I'm not sure where to measure to. But to bolt opening in the reciever it measures 22 5/16" from the muzzle.
The crown of the muzzle and front sight look un messed with, like originals as I have seen on rifles.
When he first got this gun years ago it has a "C" marked rear sight on it. But the cut-out in the HG did not fit the sight so he changed the site to one that did. He was not aware the rarity of carbines. Though he still has the original sight somewhere.
Also, there is no recess in the main stock for a rear sling swivel as found in rifles. Except the is no sign of any inlets for the saddle ring mount, or cartouches.
I know if a carbine this would be fairly rare? But is there anyway I can tell for sure.
I could send some pics if it would help? What should I show?
Unless there is no use? That it is for sure a rifle?
Am I missing something???
Thanks all in advance,
Brad

[madsenshooter]

Pretty sure it was once a rifle, there were very few carbines made with model 92 receivers, only 2 are known to exist now. Pics would be interesting anyway.

[Dick Hosmer]

It was not originally made as a carbine - Bob (Madsenshooter) is correct - only two 1892 carbines were made; they are quite unlike any other Krag carbines, and both are known to be in museum collections.

The barrel is properly measured from face of closed bolt to muzzle.

If the stock does not have a sling swivel prep, it could be a carbine stock, and M1899 carbine stocks (32" long) were not cut for the saddle ring and bar. The barrel could even be a carbine barrel, but the arm itself was not originally assembled in carbine form.

The sight and hand-guard issue can only be resolved by means of pictures - there are numerous possible combos - some legit, some not.

Krag carbines are not "rare" in any sense of the word - true, fewer were made than rifles, and they are, for some reason, considered more "glamorous", and do fetch a bit more money, on average, but enough were made that anyone who wants one can find one.

[Brad]

Thanks to you gentlemen for your guidance! I greatly appreciate it.
I had an idea that model 92 carbines were rare, but no idea they were near non-existant.
Obviously, this could not be a carbine, with only two ever made.
Thanks again so much.
I will post some pics when I can.
Regards,

[Fishnerd]

No one replied referencing the "C" marked rear sight "around somewhere". It could be an 1896 carbine rear sight, and if so, they are worth (if correct) upwards of $4-500. See if you can dig it up and post pictures.

[sdkrag]

I had a "92" carbine someone made one time. It had a nice 96 C marked rear sight that was as fake as they come. The only thing it had going for it was the action was unaltered and it had all early and correct parts plus a nice 96 carbine stock. Moral of the story "check it twice'.

[Brad]

Hello all,
I finally got to take some photos of the "carbine" as well as the C marked site.
But every time I attempt to post photos on this site mt system locks up.
I can send them to anyone of you who may care to see them, or may be able to help me identify who may have converted this rifle to a carbine?
It would be noce to know, and nice to have an idea of value.
In the meantime, I am looking to aquire a REAL Krag Carbine. Preferrably one with a Saddle Ring?
Please just send me your email to longhunter@digitalrazor.net and I'll send you the photos.
Thanks all,
Brad Foust

[madsenshooter]

I was cleaning my inbox and stumbled upon replies Brad had sent in answer to my offer to post said pics for him. Oddly they were at the very beginning of my inbox, and the date at the top was Jan 22, 2001, before I even had a yahoo account!

I'll post what pics he sent, but there's not a good view at all, the 1894 receiver is visible, as are what appears to be an 1896C carbine sight, though I can't say for sure since I can only see that, yes, it does have a C. Barrel might have been a carbine barrel, looks to be about the right length and the front sight stud looks original. Not enough views of the stock to ID it, but probably an 1899 modified for the 92/96 receiver

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