Since I started this I owe a range report. It took all this time to get to shoot the thing. It was a slow start. Somehow the windage knob was cranked so far to the right that even with bore sighting, the bullet strike was clear off the paper at 50yds. At the end of the day the rifle was zeroed at 300 meters with M2 ball and now I will work up a load for it. I do have a few rounds of Match ammo to experiment with. And there is nothing wrong with the scope. Mine is a later production rifle having the improved version.
Entry Level, what load do you like in the LC match brass with the 168 Amax?
1/2 minute scope, you sure about that, none of the scopes of the era for A4's had this
sure hope you have good, hell great results, but fear that this not gonna happen
Some things about my Gibbs.
About the scope, I do not know about the true "era" values for scopes on the Springfield. . The scope on the Gibbs is surely a 1/2 minute value scope. This info is only from range testing not anything scientific. My ability regarding accuracy depends on how the targets look to me with a 2.2 power scope and reticule. My eyes prefers some targets over others and therefor produces better results. I bought the rifle for the "neat factor" and to add another 30-06 to my gear. My shooting buddy has an original but that is out of my financial ability. He is a meticulous load tester and when he mounts a different scope his rifle consistently prints 1 min.groups and better. My one military original is a BSA "T" model I have had for some time. I don't shoot these rifles when I want precision accuracy. We hope to shoot a Vintage Match and I wanted something to shoot when the Mark 1 scope on the Enfield drives me frigging crazy. Since I shoot 3 different rifles in 30-06 developing revolves around H-4350 although I might start loading with H-4831 SC for lighter loads. I have not shot the 168 A-Max just the 168 match bullet. With this bullet I load 54 grains H-4350. I try to use a powder with which I get the fullest case capacity without compressing. I will shoot a certain bullet till I can't improve accuracy and then try something different. I like the 150 FMJ with 55 grains of H-4350, this produces excellent accuracy at mid-range distances. I include a 300 yard target shot without a spotter and allowing max 20 seconds between shots, this is the 150 FMJ Hornady, The orange paster is a 3 inch square for a an aim point. The reticule practically covers the orange spot at 300 yards. A little orange peeks around the edges of the reticule. Sand bags supported the rifle. The black target is approx 18 inches across.
in a recent conversation with Parsons, (only folks i know that one could call expert on lyman) and these scopes were 1 MOA elevation and windage, no more no less
i shot mine yesterday at 300, first shot at 300 was a 9 at 7 o-clcock, had good hold and good image, came right two minutes and up two minutes. 2nd shot X at 3 o-clock, 3rd shot dead center X 4th shot ten at 9 o'clock, but i pushed it out there
shooting from a rest, 300 yard, standard target, 178 grain a max 571/2 IMR 4831 GI case winchester primer
when i retrieved target i measured the impact after scope adj and it was right on the money two minute dope change,
rifle turning out to be pretty damn good
First I have to say that I am very impressed with your results Entry Level!
I am expecting to buy one Gibbs 03A4 very soon as I did find few here in Belgium but still affraid with the controversial reports found on the net here and there...
Entry Level what is the manufacturing date on your's? 2011?
As I want it to shoot long distance and not to stay on the wall or in a safe and the very hight price here in Belgium due to freight, import taxes and VAT charges I realy do not want to buy a bad rifle!
Gunny .b, Here is the story. When I got interested in a Gibbs I didn't know much about what I was buying. I understood Val Forget's son bought Parker-Hale and acquired 03 actions in the deal. The reproduction Gibbs was the result of him finding something to do with these parts. I don't know the manufacture date of my rifle. The scope is an M73G2 #541, this might tell someone when the rifle was assembled. It is for want of a better word "clunky". Since I bought this rifle people have showed me original Springfields and other models of original 03's that have more character. I shoot 30-06 in other rifles so having good reloading gear was a plus. I was intrigued by the rifle since it qualified for Vintage Shoots. I am not sure I would buy it again if afforded the opportunity today. It is fun in an off beat way but is not what I'd call an accurate long range shooter. The bolt lift remains heavy with all my shooting. It is safe and quaint but the scope is not to my liking. This is what we went into battle with 75 to 100 years ago and for the understanding that imparts it is good to have. The same way I enjoy shooting black powder. If you have to pay many extra charges it might be better to look at a good European battle rifle from the same period. Never the less I will take it out this weekend and shoot close and far. It is still fun to hear a friend, who might be spotting when I shoot the 24 in. gong at 1000 yards, say "outstanding".
Entry Level, thak you very much for your explanations.
I was thinking the Gibbs A4 with his scope copy from Leatherwood may be a good altenative for a WWII rifle on long range... and I am in love with the 03's.
Your results are at least very very good for me!
My main problem still the controversial quality "reports" of these Gibbs rifles.
Seems that you may have the best as well the very bad in that production and of course I cannot test one, just having a look on the action, chamber and bore and dry fire it.
I already look inside the scope few days ago and find it perfect and very luminous for that small diameter so all good for me but don't know about setting retur to 0 and clicks possibilities and there is also a lot's of different advises on the net about these...
With all these I can't take a decision!!!