Is this normal?

[psteinmayer]

I did some shooting with my Type 99 ( pictures previously posted in this forum as "My Type 99 Arisakas") yesterday. The rifle fired alright, and I put a few in the black at 100 yards. I did notice that the forward part of the stock, from the barrel band/monopod mount forward, as well as the upper stock section slid forward with each shot. Also, the sight elevation moved (with the sight folded down). Investigation revealed that the lower stock was in two pieces, with the joint hidden by the barrel band. Is the stock normally in two pieces or has this stock been cut? I can't imagine that it cracked or broke off, since it would be across the grain of the wood. If this is normally how the stock is on the Type 99, then how do I prevent things from moving when I am shooting???? I appreciate any and all advice! Thanks

Paul

[dave]

You have what collectors call a "duffle bag" cut stock. GI's cut them down to make the package shorter thru the mails, (some maybe to get in their duffle bag?). Very common with European bring backs, not so much with jap stuff. Repair is easy, several different methods have been suggested.

[JimF]

What series is your rifle?
Separate forends are the NORM on some series! (Nagoya Series 10, for instance) --Jim

[Guamsst]

What series is your rifle?
Separate forends are the NORM on some series! (Nagoya Series 10, for instance) --Jim

He said it slid forward though and I thought factory cuts were only on rifles with welded front bands?

[JimF]

He said it slid forward though and I thought factory cuts were only on rifles with welded front bands?

You are correct, Guamsst . . . .

I'm now thinking it is a "duffle-cut" rifle. --Jim

[Guamsst]

Duffel cuts are common on any milsurp rifle of WW2 and earlier. I even know of one Duffel cut M1 Carbine. Turns out sailors bags are even shorter than normal. Guy picked it up in the water during the Okinawa invasion and smuggled it home but had to cut the butt down a couple of inches to fit it in his bag.

[dave]

I know things were different during WW11 and later years, and even some areas in WW11. When I shipped home from Korea my bag was inspected and then sealed, I did not get to open it until on the ship. During WW11 all you needed were papers saying you could take it. I purcahse a bring back K98k from a fellow worked and it had a duffle cut but was shipped home in a cardboard tube that held 75m/m tank rounds. It even had a walnut upper and a laminate stock. He said the tank crew all packed and shipped there rifle home to-gether, he must have picked up the wrong one!
As for the 'duffle cut' ---The stock, with bayo lug on is 39 2/4" take the bayo off and its 37 3/4", the barreled action is 32". Anyone have a WW11 duffle bag? Do some measuring!
I am not saying they were not cut for a bag (5"?) but they were also cut for other containers.

[Guamsst]

Having used duffel bags for gunshows, it isn't a matter of just getting it in there. Part of it is making it fit without it looking like there is a gun in your bag. No, I don't duffel cut for gunshows, just saying when I use duffel bags, they are really a clumsy fit.

As to inspections, I have heard accounts from both Korea and WW2 of people who had ZERO inspection of their personal items. One guy who wrote a book about pacific tanks threw his souvenirs overboard and when they got to the port, they were lined up on the beach and told to empty their bags. He said everyone buried their contraband in the sand then the inspector glanced at their belongings and left. Then everyone dug up their contraband and left.

A friend who was in Korea got put in a hip/leg cast. He put an M3 greasgun down his cast and then chickened out as he got to customs. They told him so many stories he was afraid they would Xray the cast. He dumped the M3 in the amnesty bin and then as he went through customs all they did was say "welcome home"....DOH!!!

I almost got in a fight in Saudi because when I put my bags on the counter the Saudi inspector pushed them back off and told me to go. Problem was, he didn't want to do anymore inspections and I couldn't get a grip on my bags because he kept pushing them back off the counter. I had to laugh at the idea that I could not force this guy to even let me set my bags on the counter.

[psteinmayer]

What series is your rifle?
Separate forends are the NORM on some series! (Nagoya Series 10, for instance) --Jim

Arsenal is Toyo Kogyo, Series is 31.

[psteinmayer]

You have what collectors call a "duffle bag" cut stock. GI's cut them down to make the package shorter thru the mails, (some maybe to get in their duffle bag?). Very common with European bring backs, not so much with jap stuff. Repair is easy, several different methods have been suggested.

That makes perfect sense since it looks like it has been sawn. What is the best way to repairl it?