M1 Garand - Holes in stock?

[Devil Dog]

Fill the holes using MICROBED a stock bedding epoxy that is brown and is exactly what what the army used to repair stocks.

I haven't seen Micro Bed in years. Is it still available?

[JimL]

Whatever became of stick shellac? It used to be what the army used to repair wood stocks .......

Still available, Brownells carries it.

[2111]

I am not sure what you are trying to say? If you are criticizing the mods on my rifle...i am OK with that...I have four Garands and I played with this one (the others are original)...the one above is my experiment, my money, and my property...so I am OK with you not liking it.

Your second point, where I said that I would prefer my M1 Garand to a M4 in a FIGHT. I will stand by that. If you tell me, that a 5.56mm Highpower-Service Rifle in an AR is just as, or more, accurate than a 30.06 M1 Garand...i don't know. But I do know that a 30-06 is a far superior combat cartridge which is demonstrated by its energy when its bullet hits the target. The .223 does not have the power to shoot through much if any cover that a combat rifle should be able to. Don't compare a .22 caliber target rifle to the combat proven 30.06 in a fight. I don't know any Soldiers shooting any M16 variant accurately to 1000 meters; Soldiers that I know that shoot out to 1000 yds are using a .308. I do know that Military Issue 5.56 has problems penetrating light foliage.

I would like to agree with you but I am afraid I can't. While the M1 Garand was "combat proven" in WW2 and Korea, a period of about 12 years (1941 - 1953), the AR Type rifles have now been in use for over 45 years ( mid 1960's to present day) and are surely "combat proven". I think todays soldier or Marine would pick the M4 over a Garand without hesitation. True for long range sniping they may pull out an M14 or a .50 cal. but that's about it.

[John Kepler]

While the M1 Garand was "combat proven" in WW2 and Korea, a period of about 12 years (1941 - 1953), the AR Type rifles have now been in use for over 45 years ( mid 1960's to present day) and are surely "combat proven". I think todays soldier or Marine would pick the M4 over a Garand without hesitation. True for long range sniping they may pull out an M14 or a .50 cal. but that's about it.

"Never attempt to teach a pig to dance...it wastes your time and annoys the pig!" S.L. Clemens

[John Kepler]

If you tell me, that a 5.56mm Highpower-Service Rifle in an AR is just as, or more, accurate than a 30.06 M1 Garand...i don't know.

I do! It is by a considerable margin.

But I do know that a 30-06 is a far superior combat cartridge which is demonstrated by its energy when its bullet hits the target.

It takes about 200 ft-lbs of energy to kill a human being. Both the M2 and M855 cartridge deliver far more than that at practical combat ranges. If all you need is a 1 gallon bucket of water, what difference does it make if you fill it from a backyard pond or Lake Superior? Besides chum....absolutely NOTHING hit by a high velocity rifle bullet is having a particularly good day, and has far bigger concerns than continuing to screw with me!

The .223 does not have the power to shoot through much if any cover that a combat rifle should be able to.

The old myth resurfaces! "Mythbusters" took care of this quite decisively, proving what nearly every serious highpower shooter already knew.....unless you are shooting specific bullets (as in AP!), no ball round penetrates much of anything....the bullet tends to fragment or seriously distort on contact. More than one whitetail hunter has a story about "killing" a twig while the deer 5' behind it walked casually away.

Don't compare a .22 caliber target rifle to the combat proven 30.06 in a fight.

Four mothers in Poland got their sons home safe and sound from Iraq, because my #2 Son, the E5 and former Junior Highpower competition shooter made a 400 yd shot on the 15 year-old Syrian kid with the RPG drawing a bead on their truck. The shot was with his M16. One shot....in the X-Ring. 14 months in Iraq, 9 months in Afghanistan before that, certainly qualifies as a fight, he came home....and all he ever fired was his AR, while several Hadji's armed with "something else" are "enjoying" their 72 Virgins!

FWIW, my son is VERY familiar with both the M1 (he started shooing one of mine when he was 9) and the M14 (his ORPA HP Team Rifle)....and wouldn't trade his AR for either of them if you shoved a gun in his face! His answer to ANYONE that questions his choice, "YOU hump that boat-anchor and 120 rds of ammo in full combat gear and 120 degree heat through 10 miles of Indian Country....then tell me which rifle to pick!"

I don't know any Soldiers shooting any M16 variant accurately to 1000 meters; Soldiers that I know that shoot out to 1000 yds are using a .308. .

You may need to get out a little more! While you may not know any "soldiers shooting any M16 variant accurately at 1000 meters", I DO! We have this little "get-together" on the shores of Lake Erie in August called the "National Matches". If you come, you'll see quite a number of people that wear BDU's to work (as well as many that don't) shooting AR's at 1000 yds so accurately it'll make your sphincters pucker....you certainly wouldn't want them (or me) shooting at you!

[Maury Krupp]

Neither the M1 nor the M16, the .30-'06/.308 nor the 5.56, are the "perfect" rifle or cartridge.

They are all simply products of their times. They all have their associated advantages and flaws. Nearly all of them driven by the needs (real and perceived) of the designers and users.

What was seen as good or bad in 1936 or 1967 (or 2012) was subject to what the viewer saw or wanted to see. All the 20/20 hindsight in the world (good or bad) won't change that.

Both rifles and cartridges are "combat proven" whatever that means. Not because one is "better" than the other for all tasks but because they both were what the GIs had and had to use.

Both rifles and cartridges are "competition proven" whatever that means too. Competition is a game and only a game. What works in competition usually has more to do with the competitor than the equipment.

Tastes Great! Less Filling! Tastes Great! Less Filling!

Maury

PS - The days of the M16 as a 1000yd Service Rifle in competition are, for all intents and purposes, over. The AMU made a valiant try and had remarkable success for their efforts but there's a reason they lobbied so hard for the inclusion of the M110 (AR-10) as an NRA Service Rifle

[BHillman]

I have the jig used for lining up and drilling the holes. It won't fit near the rear of the stock, only along the thin side wall near the clip latch.

If you drill plugs from the butt end under the butt plate, the grain of the wood will be going in the wrong direction. Just ensure it's sealed and have fun.

Bruce

[c47flew]

Dan, the Winchester that I received from the CMP recently has the same grenade launcher holes drilled in the butt stock, in the correct area, same as yours. Great pics, that sight assembly is awesome. Are the sights really rare or are they available? I would like to mount one on mine if possible. Please info me on the availability of them. Thank you.

[Mark in Rochester]

I am sure you may find a better price but here is a start



14.95 Complete with original carry pouch and instructions. Also for M1903, M1903A1, M1903A3, M1 Rifles, and M1 Carbine. Unissued condition, mounting hardware included. Sight comes wrapped in original waxed paper.

http://www.omahas.com/m1-garand-grenade-launcher-sight

[munkjeep]

Dan, the Winchester that I received from the CMP recently has the same grenade launcher holes drilled in the butt stock, in the correct area, same as yours. Great pics, that sight assembly is awesome. Are the sights really rare or are they available? I would like to mount one on mine if possible. Please info me on the availability of them. Thank you.

I can't remeber where, but I bought 3 sets for $10 a piece , so not so rare . They add $10 worth of coolness to a M1 .