Organic Foods vs Big Farm Foods

[Marine A5 Sniper]

You ever dealt with any actual black lung claims "up close and personal"? I have, hundreds of them and they ALL have one thing in common......they were ALL smokers. So which came first, the chicken or the egg....the answer is entirely dependent on which lawyer you hire and what gives the largest payday!

No, I haven't. Are you a doctor also? I didn't know you could get black lung from smoking. I hope you are not insinuating the miners are faking black lung.

BFD, that's a distinction without the slightest difference! MSHA keeps ALL the numbers, mines report to MSHA, not OSHA, in fact, MSHA and OSHA regularly get into chick-fights over whom is poaching on whose hunting preserve!. That OSHA gets "CC'ed" on the MSHA numbers doesn't mean dick if you're operating a mine.

That isn't what you originally said. Your statement: "Second, coal mining isn't included in any OSHA stats."

I knew that's where you got your number from! Today, the UMWA represents less than 15% of the miners working in the bituminous coal industry...and that number shrinks every year. Comforting to know they are as inaccurate as they are irrelevant in the current industry. Look up the numbers from the BCOA....they're far more accurate and far more current. My guess is that the UMWA figures represent the number of mines that they represent, not the industry as a whole. The largest, most productive mines are non-Union...the UMWA plays with the bottom-feeders.

Show me some real time data. You made the claim, you back it up.

Contrary to one of your statements, I found this.

"Typically, a longwall mine employs substantially more
workers than other types of underground mines. In 1993,
longwall mines employed an average of 102 workers per
shift.16 In contrast, room-and-pillar operations employed
an average of 21 workers per shift."

Source: Energy Information Administration, 1993 Form EIA-7A

Your statement: "FWIW, coal mining in the US is HIGHLY mechanized...there are VERY few men working underground...generally fewer than 26 men per shift in a 2+ million ton per year mine, and only about 1/4 of that number at the working-face".

This is getting boring, John. Get your facts straight. Long wall mining is for large mines with large reserves to offset the huge capital costs. Under those circumstances, it is the way to go. No argument on that issue from me, but that has nada to do with what I said, which was correct.

jt

[Dick Hosmer]

During construction, Diablo Canyon was found to be on/near a significant - but unknown until then - fault. They finished building it anyway, and it is one of two CA facilities still operating. Is it on a 9.2-capable fault? Who knows?

[RED]

There you go again using union statistics.

Red, Brazil's economy is growing, the USA's & Brits is falling..... hell our currency has gone down in value by what 600% in the last several years? Gold was about $160.00 an ounce now it's around $1600.00 an ounce?

If gold was $160 and went up 100% that would be $320.

If gold was $320 + 100% = $640.

If gold was $640 + 100% = $1280

If gold was $1240 + 100% = $2560

If gold was $2560 + 100% = $5120

If gold was $5120 + 100% = $10,240

That is what gold would sell for if it went up 6 X 100%.

Brazil's economy suffered 7% + inflation every year for 10 years running. That means their currency now buys one half as much as it did 10 years ago.

The last time the U.S. had 7% inflation was when Jimmy Catah was President. The reason the Brazilian economy exceeded UK's was inflation NOT growth. Now tell me again, what it is that Brazil is doing better than the U.S.?

The USA is still by far the best country in the world... bar none. Even 4 years of Obamama hasn't changed that.

[Dick Hosmer]

Sorry, but I don't see 900% as being the same as 100% taken six times, which includes massive compounding.

[da gimp]

During construction, Diablo Canyon was found to be on/near a significant - but unknown until then - fault. They finished building it anyway, and it is one of two CA facilities still operating. Is it on a 9.2-capable fault? Who knows?

Dick, Here in Missouri, we have the famous New Madrid fault that produced the largest earthquake in history, north of it a little ways in Calloway County there is a nuclear power plant & I believe there are several others within it's area of activity.

They've found new fault lines extending up into Mo. & Ks, and in eastern Ks is the Wolf Creek reactor,, there are old decrepit reactors in Illinois & on the east coast of the USA, all subject to seismic activity......................in other words, it's not just in California that major threats to reactors loom......

[Dick Hosmer]

Yes, if THAT one lets go - again (thank goodness the population was low when it blew before; 1830s?) - some of the CA quake jokes may slow up a bit.

[John Kepler]

This is getting boring, John. Get your facts straight.
jt

Yes....it's getting boring and right back at ya!

I've been forwarding your comments to a couple of my old associates, and they are just as amused at your pseudo-authoritative nonsense as I've been, proving only that you, like 99.99% of the US population haven't got a CLUE how our nations largest single domestic energy source is produced!

JE Kepler, PE
Chief Field Engineer, Managing Partner (ret)
Pickands Mather Coal Co.
Kirtland, OH

[John Kepler]

Yes, if THAT one lets go - again (thank goodness the population was low when it blew before; 1830s?) .

1811-1812 actually!

[John Kepler]

Dick, Here in Missouri, we have the famous New Madrid fault that produced the largest earthquake in history

No it wasn't, not even close in fact! The 1811-1812 New Madrid quakes have been estimated in the 7.7 range. The 1905 San Francisco Quake was 8.2, the 1964 Alaska Quake was 8.9. The reactor in question is designed to survive an 8.0 quake, the New Madrid system MIGHT produce a major temblor every 600-800 years (assuming that the system is still active.....the measurements question that assumption), which gives a window of 500 years before the next "big one", so I, and the PTB's don't see much of a problem. As for the rest....there's a major fault running through central Ohio....the Tethys Fault.....the last time it moved was 400 million years ago, but the fault is still there! Just because there's a fault doesn't mean it's active! Gimp....look up the term "craton". Never argue tectonics with a geologist Gimp....all you can do is lose!

[Marine A5 Sniper]

Yes....it's getting boring and right back at ya! I've been forwarding your comments to a couple of my old associates, and they are just as amused at your pseudo-authoritative nonsense as I've been, proving only that you, like 99.99% of the US population haven't got a CLUE how our nations largest single domestic energy source is produced!

When you are losing, attack your opponent.

I never claimed to know anything about coal mining, but you made numerous incorrect statements you don't seem able to back up. I have managed two mines, albeit they were uranium mines, and I am a double PE, but I will refrain from that kind of BS, as no one on this forum really cares about that crap, and it really doesn't impress anyone that counts. Smartest guy I ever met was a gunsmith, and his title was "Mr.". Back up your statements, and like I did, show your sources, so we can all judge who was right.

Pseudo authoritative? That's funny. Did you need a Thesaurus? I merely quoted published information, and gave the source. I didn't need to be authoritative at all, but then again, you said pseudo authoritative. Seems you are unable to do the same.

By the way, I couldn't care less what your "associates" say or think, and I suspect you were calling them to find a published source to back up your erroneous statements, and they didn't know one either. Am I right?

jt
Farmer, veteran, and retired. (I'll take that middle one over any title I, or you, have ever held).