I know in springfield armory they have alot of new never issued rifles, that wernt subject to cosmoline storage, and all their finish is a grey/dark grey color with no hint of green on them. Unfortunately my camera sucks so have no good close ups of said rifles.
Here is a Remington 1903 that has a very olive green tint all over the receiver. Inside, outside, above and below the wood line show the same olive tint. Underneath the 1903 is the front end of a WRA carbine that was wrapped for shipment in 1945 and unwrapped in the late 1970s when it was sold, by Winchester to an arms dealer, then subsequently sold to an individual. That is documented BTW. So 30 years in preservative (cosmoline) didn't change the color of the carbine. Carburetor cleaner nor brake cleaner had any effect on removing or reducing the green tint on the Remington.
Newscotlander was planning on writing and article for the Carbine Club Newsletter on what causes the color shift. If he doesn't write the article I'll post here what caused the green tint. It's very simple chemical reaction and any chemist could tell you why the zinc park takes on a green tint if they knew how the items were originally finished. If Newscotlander is still planning on writing the article you'll just have to wait until it is published. In the mean time ask yourself why is it that some carbines by certain manufacturers exhibit a green tint while ones from other manufacturers never do? Was cosmoline also brand selective?
Here is the rest of the WRA carbine. Not a hint of green on the receiver but parts of the rear sight do show a green tint.
sooo,,,
basicly, you really dont have a clue.. as to the real reason, the tint is green??just an educated guess..
just like the rest of us..
as for the barrels being darker then then a receiver?
well, id say, the receivers are a heatreated steel, the barrels are not, actually very soft steel.
they darken very fast and very easy, as the receivers take a bit more time..
i personally talked with the lead chemist at Parko Lubrite..2 weeks ago..
she knows of nothing..nadda, that would turn it green..nothing they sell or add, will make it green. she actually thought it was kinda funny when i asked.
then asked why i would want it green.
unless your claiming the manufacture knows nothing of what they sell..and that you know more then she???
Parko Lubrite2 is the finish used toady. its is meduim grey..not black, not light grey, not green.. medium grey..
for the record, there formula is exaclty the same as the companys that i use.
i use the same supplier that the US Navy does,
and iv asked them the same exact thing of them...how do i get it to have a green hue..?
same out come...nothing... the same lady at my supplier has helped me a lot with real Mil specs, when bidding Gov, and local PD jobs. and did research on the green hue. with no results. they do sell a yellow additive thats used in commercial applications, but i would need a special permit from my local fire dept, to get it.
so, maybe the yellow additive used might turn them green...they say it doesnt change the color, only helps with the saltwater spray test.
im happy with the end results of my work, as are the customers that iv done work for, iv been told its the right olive green tint, maybe i just dont see the green,, old age isnt for wimps for sure.
and i dont eat olives..maybe i need to buy some and compare?? to me,, they are light grey, and dark grey,,
though i have seen some examples of green hue on Remington A3,s and Winchester M1 Carbines and Garands.
Actually I do have a clue as I have replicated the green tint using a zinc phoshpate solution As I said if Newscotlander doesn't write the intended article I'll post what causes it and why it doesn't do it all the time.Originally Posted by chuckindenver
Inland used Parko Lubrite process as did other carbine manufacturers but some used something different.
If you still think cosmoline caused it why didn't the WRA carbine receiver turn green but parts of the adjustable rear sight did?
i'm curious who else used the solution you were able to replicate??
and is the article going to be posted on CSP or a carbine newsletter?
Thanks
This has been a very interesting debate. I to, will be waiting for the final answer.
Yep, it'll be interesting if the goods get delivered in a more tactful manner.
admited..
i poked the hornets nest a bit..
as you all know i stopped posting, and enjoying this board about 2 years ago do to the way Brian Q treated some of the regular posters myself included..
though i think he,s a weath of information, and has a lot to share about the M1 Carbine,
i think how he treats people that dont agree with some of his ideas, or dont have the knowlage he does, is pretty unfair, and some get right
down to just about a personal attack on them..
im not the only collector, shooter thats been chased out.
sometimes a guy just has to agree to disagree, and leave it that.
i regular the 1903 forums and try to share and help fellow shooters and collectors.
and not make it a display of my expert opinion.
in no way do i feel im an expert on anything here, only a student, shooter, and collector.
the fact im a gunsmith, just happens to be a bonus..
anytime i share information, or a how to, its been from my personal experiance, not by whats in a book some place, and i try to keep it real simple.
admited, i dont know dates, codes. ect on the M1 Carbime, for that i can dig out the books, or ask a close friend if needed, though very humble, he has forgot more then most guys will ever know about the M1 Carbine.
i pushed this issue about the green tint, cuz i know for a fact...no one knows exactly for sure, why some guns have a green hue, and some dont..for sure..
i have been restoring WW2 weapons for a few years, and toyed with the green tint thing till i was blue in the face so to speak.
and did all sorts of research ect. to see if i can add, dye or whatever to make the Zinc phospate green..
and from the people that sell me the products, to the people that started the whole parkerizing coating..they all say the same thing...nothing they offer will turn it green.
so..
that being said.. my take on the subject.. agree or not.. is that some guns may have turned a green hue from cosmoline, grease, rust and just plain ol time. and a small lot of Winchesters, and Remington A3,s had some sort of additive to turn them green..
while a big part of them are simply grey in color.
and its ok to disagree with me..im ok with it.. ill get off my soap box, and stop poking the hornets nest..:}
iv said it before.. if we as collectors cant get along, and welcome new ideas, and opnions, the Libs will have an easy time taking things we love away..
Sorry for the delay, I am unfortunately unable to access this site from work. Yes they do. Here's few more photos.
Last edited by dbarn; 01-20-2010 at 05:50.
"personal attack" geez chuck wasn't it you that said
When did I ever say anything personal about you or anyone else for that matter?
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